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MY SETUP
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On 4/2/2001 mikez
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I ride them loosish, I have always been a fan of loose loose trucks, I ride them as loose as I can without feeling unstable, I have taken em up to 56mph(90kph) and felt good and comfortable
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Crouching in Standup
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On 4/2/2001
Wank
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Does anyone ever ride downhill in the crouch position like they used to in the olden days? ive found its easier to turn sharply and slow down w/o having to slide when your crouched
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MIKEZ setup
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On 4/2/2001
Leo
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Mikez, how did you setup your RII? and how fast have you gone???
leo
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best equipment/rider, bad rider/equipment
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On 4/2/2001
Leo
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I used to thought taht if i get the best equipment there is, i would be a beeter rider, that helps a little but now afer a few months of riding my toughts have change a lot, now i believe that theres is a strong connection between equipment and the rider.
theres a myth that better riders ride in any equipment and can extract whats best of it, i like to keep it balanced, while i improve my riding i get more technical and best equipment.
my 2 bolivars
leo
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Rules II
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On 4/1/2001
Chris Chaput
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Bert, It just occurred to me that you may not have wanted the rules on equipment, but the rules of racing instead. If so, they can be found on the sites that I mentioned above.
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Rules
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On 4/1/2001
Chirs Chaput
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IGSA is at Gravity-Sports.com
IGSA - DOWNHILL SKATEBOARD SPECIFICATIONS
DECK: The deck must be structurally sound and not pose a safety hazard. It must not posses sharp edges, which could injure riders. It may be any shape within the size limits.
WEIGHT: The complete board must not exceed five kilograms (5Kg / 11lbs)
LENGTH: One hundred twenty-three centimeters (123cm / 48") maximum.
WIDTH: Three hundred five millimeters (305mm / 12") maximum.
TRUCKS: The trucks must be lean steer activated. They may be commercially available or custom built. They must be no more than three hundred five millimeters (305mm / 12") wide, as measured from the outside edge of the axles.
BEARINGS: Any bearing that fits into a hub designed to fit standard 608 Bearings.
SKF 608 Bearing Specifications: Bore 8mm(0.3150"), OD Race 22mm(0.8661"), Width 7mm(0.2756")
WHEELS: A minimum of four (4) wheels must be in contact with the ground. Wheels can be a maximum diameter of one hundred twenty eight millimeters (130mm / 5"). If a particular wheel proves to have a significant performance advantage and is not made commercially available* for a reasonable price, it could be specifically banned in the future.
EDI is at DownhillSkateboarding.com
EDI - Skateboard Rules
1. Skateboards are not to exceed four (4) feet in length.
2. Skateboards are not to exceed twelve (12) pounds.
3. All truck, wheels, and mounting rules in street luge section apply.
*** Applicable Luge Rules ***
5. Trucks readily available in stores are fine and acceptable as long as they meet the following criteria:
a) No "plastic" or "composite" truck bases and/or hangers.
b) Truck and/or axle width can be no wider than twelve (12) inches outside to outside.
6. Custom trucks will be permitted as long as they meet the same guidelines as store bought trucks and only after they have passed technical inspection. (See Technical Inspection section for procedures)
7. Trucks must be properly mounted at all four corners with grade eight (8) bolts and aircraft or nylon lock nuts.
8. Truck hangers must clear chassis by no less than ¼" to ensure that they steer and that they don’t get fowled in the chassis.
9. Bearings must be GROUND BALL or ROLLER TYPE. No plastic race bearings will be permitted.
10. Wheels readily available in stores are fine and acceptable as long as they meet the following criteria:
a) Wheels can be no larger than four (4) inches in diameter.
b) Soft wheels (under 88 A durometer) must have a core/hub to isolate bearings from being in direct contact with urethane.
11. Custom wheels will be permitted only after they have passed technical inspection. (See Technical Inspection section for procedures.)
20. All equipment mounting hardware must be fastened with aircraft or nylon lock nuts to ensure all parts stay on vehicle.
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randal II's at speed
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On 3/31/2001 mikez
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I ride RII's for speedboarding and I have had em up to some high speed, the thing about this sport is that the most important thing is that you are comfortable with your equipment, I am comfortable on RII's some are comfortable on downhills some are comfortable on Indy's
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Regelations
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On 3/31/2001 Bert
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Does anybody have a link or something so that i can look at race rules? doesn't really matter to me just curious.
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Randal 2 longboard turucks?
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On 3/31/2001 Karl
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How stable are the Randal 2 longboard trucks
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STAND-UP
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On 3/31/2001 KLUDY
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Stand-up is just that , stand-up . The rules say one thing but I feel you so ride down the hill with feet only on the board , no hands , no legs .I am old school surfer and feel you should ride standing . Lenny , being a surfer who loves pin tails , ride the pee out of it. The concave will keep you on the board.The next race is one race that you want to make it down the hill alive , I will not run my fastest stuff , just my stickest wheels to make the last turn, they call it (widow maker ) for a reason !
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Touch and Go
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On 3/31/2001
Chris Chaput
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Joe, In today's racing there are no longer rules that prohibit you from touching your board or the ground. Rail grabs are commonplace as are slide gloves when slicing through the turns on todays's more technical courses. You can grab the nose if you want. There are actually no rules against foils or fairings (yet) in speedboarding, those only apply to streetluge. Some guys grab both of the front rails when braking by dragging a foot. You will have to cut that board down to 48" though, that's the legal maximum length in both EDI and the IGSA.
Lenny, It sounds like a decent combo, but a pintail would not be my first choice. As long as you can get the leverage that you need in a turn at speed, you should be okay.
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read this
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On 3/31/2001 Lenny
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I have a sector 9 concave pintail with randal trucks, ninja abec 7 bearings, and 70mm kryptonic wheels. Is this a pretty good setup?
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Deep Tuck
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On 3/31/2001
Joe Lehm
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Hey guys, can you tell me if it is within the "rules of racing" whether or not ones knees may touch the board. On my speed board I'm never that low but on my Supertanker (10" wide X 56" long) I've been finding it stable to drop my trailing knee on straight fast sections. Same question for grabbing the nose to create a fairing.
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ability vs. equip
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On 3/31/2001 shnitzel
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i grew up in a small ski town right next to the hill. so did trennan and monty painter (if you follow world cup moguls you'll know who trennan is). anyhow, monty telemark ski's and is pretty good at it. he and his mom ski patrol on tele's at the hill every year. when the national tele races hit lake loise one year enough people convinced monty to go and here's the story:
he shows up on race day and heads to the course for practice. there he saw what he was in for. fully spandexed riders covered in logo's ready to hash it out. there he stood in relaxed ski pants and some tele bindings attached to some old mogul ski's of his brothers. definitly wind resistance was an issue so off came the ski clothes and on went a tight set of jeans and a jean jacket. monty looked like the biggest kook out there. like those rental tourists you see and laugh at! anyhow, really cool long story just shortened up a bunch........ monty won nationals wearing a jean jacket, tight jeans and old mogul skis.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh.... take that into account.
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Speed from within
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On 3/31/2001 Herbn
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While exterior stuff can make the difference for two equal or close to equal riders,i have a long standing theory that the physical gifts and practicing ,or improving on natural talent of the rider go a tremendous way.Steadiness,ankles knees,overall balence will make one rider smooth and someone else sketchy.A sense of tuck,instinctive aerodynamics,feeling the pressure of the air and how your position changes that,balence lets you hold that tuck through corners,over bumps ect.I love equipment,i like technical advantages,if you think you have an advantage(cool new trucks) then you have a positive attitude,that alone can contribute to steadyness,smoothness,you get fast because you believe in your equipment,you go faster.
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skateboard AND rider
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On 3/30/2001
Chris Chaput
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Rick, It is perfectly normal and natural for people to know "who is the fastest" or "who is the best racer". As long as our sport combines pack riding and choices in equipment, we will never have a firm grasp on exactly who or why someone is the best. Not only that, but most riders don't even agree on what equipment is fast and they tend to get in a comfort zone and stick to what has gotten them down the mountain alive in the past.
John Rogers is one of those guys who uses a round motorcycle helmet and usually does very well. Others like Freeman, van Bommel, Smouse, Mallard, Orton and Manu use a helmet that they consider to be aerodynamic, but not one of the "big hats" that Flindt, Lowry, Hardwick, Sherlock, Golter, Dansie, Dread, Lehr and you and I wear. We enjoy the freedom to be able to pick what we like within certain limits, and most everyone likes it that way. Like a skier or golfer or batter, we look at what we are faced with and pick something out of the bag. This is but one of the many mental aspects of being a competitor. If someone putts from the rough, skis without wax or swings a bat that's too big for him, he won't be a very good competitor, regardless of how skilled he is. On the other hand, if a guy has no skill whatsoever but owns the best clubs, skis or bat on the planet, he's still not going to be able to hang with the veterans.
The only alternative is to have a spec race where everyone has to ride the same stuff. Then we get to argue about which guy's stuff to use, how big the suits and helmets should be, which wheels and trucks are the best, how much people weigh and how unfair it all is. After the arguing is done, we have to race without other riders on the course because drafting and taking other's lines would also be unfair, and we end up with a "fair" race that is basically as uneventful as a round of qualifying.
My point is that both the rider AND his selection of equipment determine whether or not he is a great racer. You can't separate the two, you have to consider the whole package. You're a great rider, you'll win races on the stuff that you like. If anyone thinks that your gear is slow, they must either conclude that your technique is better or you're just plain lucky. If your gear is the same, they'll think that it must be you. Either way, you're a winner. If others think that your gear is faster, be prepared to have your riding ability questioned, no matter how good you are.
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Skateboard or rider ?
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On 3/30/2001 KLUDY
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I have to ask , is a great rider great because of his stuff or his skill level. I have the feeling that the rider is what makes him great, because there are two riders now on the pro tour that do not have the areo helmet , no speed suit , and riding a plain skateboard and always comes out on top or close to it .I feel that the race is the rider racing others has nothing to do with the stuff they run , it is just how well they run against others on race day.Today I am less into new things and more into racing others , dont know how or why but some riders just have a gift to race and there is nothing you can buy to make up for the gift to race ! What do you guys think ? The season has started and Trying to work hard to get to all the races , next race is St. George , Utah . and if any of you guys are going let me know , money is tight and the more riders that go the less it cost .n
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Barrett cat tracks
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On 3/26/2001 roger
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If you get caught in the cat tracks your board shaking all over the place and your grip tape is tested. No exaggeration, some of these ruts are very deep and they keep on coming. What little traction exists is from the twilight zone. First time on them is spooky because your reaction is to quickly steer out of them, exactly what not to do because bouncing things don't grip. Then you learn to just turn slowly out of them, no problem, except for a big speed loss penalty. They also move back and forth across the whole width of the road. There are a few lines that you can quickly dash across them and not get much of a slowdown. The cat tracks are best thought of as penalty zones that will rob you of speed and really makes that part of the course much more interesting.
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Randals
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On 3/26/2001
Danny Connor
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Hey Guys,
I have been riding for a while, and have set up all my own boards, so Ifeel kinda stupid for asking this question, but.......If I were to put my R-2 hangars on my downhill base plates,would they be just as stable as the stock, no floater Randals? Any help is appriciated. Thanks.
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barret junc.
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On 3/26/2001
david
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barret sound like a helluva track, i'm jeloius that I probally won't get a chance to ride it for at least a few years. but for all the guys out there who ride barret alot, i have one question. the road surface sounds like it is from hell,and if your teeth rattle, how can u guys see. when i ride over really rough road at anything over 20+ every thing becomes a blur from my eyes jiggling. can u guys acually see well, or can you not?
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Fixer Upper
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On 3/26/2001
Chris Chaput
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Repairing Barrett Junction would be like straightening up the Leaning Tower of Pisa. We like it with all its imperfections (and there are many). The Cat tracks run down about 1/4 mile of road and veer off to the sides in a few locations. It's not IF you'll hit them, it's HOW you hit them and recover. If you repaired only the cat tracks you'd be solving about 5% of Barrett's challenges. An estimated $115,000.00 would be needed to resurface the whole road but I'm not sure what (if any) land development projects would be compromised.
For now, we have an "Outlaw Race" on closed road satisfies 95% of the riders and scares %100 of them. There is a main highway that is used to shuttle riders back to the top while others are racing down the course. Tecate and Mexico are 10 minutes away. Border patrol and immigrants are playing cat and mouse all around us all the time. There is one cafe that's 5 minutes back down the road and about back to "civilization" as we know it. Frank Waterhouse lived across the street for years and puts on the race, IGSA's Marcus Rietema sanctions the events.
We had a gravity bike race a streetluge, a head first luge-like vehicle, buttboarders (classic luge), standup and streetluge and gravity bikes (fairings and stock class). We set up little slalom courses on the bottom where we camp out overnight in everything from a sleeping bag with or without the tent, to Class A motorhomes. We all have a great time and watch each other's backs. The atmosphere is that of a friendly competition where a jumped start may not end up a DQ, and guys aren't killing each other to fly their sponsor's colors on the podium.
In short, you would risk be considered a heretic if you tried to "fix" Barrett. In a very strange way, it's perfect just the way it is.
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barret repair
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On 3/26/2001
hugh r
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Bob,
I'm not sure about SD county, but if this road were being repaved in LA county, they would actually remove all the old asphalt and start over. The hills have a very high percentage of sandrock and most of cracks have the apperance of sand being pushed up by the moisture draing through the rocks.
At least that's how it looks to my un-trainded eyes! HR
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Barret Road idea
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On 3/26/2001
Bob Swartz
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I have not seen the road yet, but do you think a couple of passes with a big ass steam roller on a hot summerday would fix it, or is the road in need of patch and crack repair??
just an idea and may be cheap
bob
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learn from newbies
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On 3/26/2001 Herbn
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I've seen videos where they show kids,and old kids,fixing terrain,grinding antiskate knobs off railings,Kris Markovich shows how to liquid nail an iron angle on to a previously un skatable ledge,stop ya whinning start ya grinding,(filling, instant asphalt repair)
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Dinosaurs
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On 3/26/2001
Chris Chaput
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Have you ever seen dinosaur fossil footprints? That's what those suckers remind me of. Millions of years ago, when the road was first being built, the tar pits spewed onto the road and a giant catepillar crossed the road and left us with a permanent record of its mammoth size and weight. Judging by the size of its tracks, I'd have to say that it was over 25 foot tall and a flesh eater. Today it only eats leather.
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