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Wide Trucks and Skogging
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On 12/3/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(168.253.nnn.nnn)
Hennessy's in PB, is a great start for an early morning skog for me. Formerly Tugs Tavern from the early 70's where my PB clan frequented on Thursday evenings for a .99 special. 3 rolled taquitos and a plate of beans and lettuce. oMg. After a full day of surfing, it was a great nourishment investment. OTH, it was a reat place to park prior to going for a nice longboard run.
Thanks for the kudo's on my video's and contributions to what I think is a monumental stride for skateboarding. Being able to get good clean exercise on your board in any fashion is a plus when you think of all the conventialal boring ways like jogging, biking, blading etc. And downhill is spendid exercise too especially when you walk back up. Riding vert is great exercise too but let's face it... the transition on your joints can take it's toll. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I'll be riding vert into my 70's but it will only be because I do the basic skogging/pumping exercise. and I'm keen on this device that adds to my quiver of fun for life.
Dudes, I can't express to you how cool it is for my personal health happiness by maximizing my heart rate everyday through skogging. Of course hitting a halfpipe and rocking back and forth with just fakees is a splendid discipline too but with skogging you can get scenery, a hike thru the beach area... and for me, a business cruise marketing my web biz in Pacific Beach and Mission Beach. Yea, I visit clients and potential clients on my skateboard. :D
At 50, still skating and seeing most pro's back from my era limping along and it's somewhat amusing. Many won't even get on a board. Skateboarding is forever for me. I want one in my casket :D They are all singing the "the older I get, the better I was tune". (with exceptions like Cliff Coleman e.g.)
And the technology today keeps getting better for boards, trucks and wheels. For me, a simple 34-38" 7-ply stiff flex cambered/concave drop-shaped deck with a 8.5" to 9.5" width variant is great for me. I keep seeing all these gimmick looking stuff coming out. wheelwells, cutaways and dropped level decks. YUK.
For this old man... :D .... I said what I like and that's that! I'm using trackers, originals, seismics and randal's . for me, the turning action of originals for pumping and skogging the flats rocks for me.
hugs from san diego to all.
Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho
Chris Yandall
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Thanks Steve
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On 12/1/2004 andrew
wrote in from
United States
(67.161.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the follow up Steve. Feeling renewed after years off, i've gotten swept up by fun memories and crazy vintage ebay searches... i sure need more time pumping my boards! Chris' posts with the videos got me hyped again. Now i find meself web crawling searching out great advice written by some very sucessful riders and i thank you all for making these public shares... I've already learned and put to practice several bites of strong practical know-hows
I also feel a bit more comfortable with my narrower trucks, as you're right on the money regarding dreaded wheelbite on a sneaker can end a session real quick.
I just have to try the new generation stuff too, to get feedback for my progress.
Thanks -Drew
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'Drew's new do, The Trap & stuff
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On 11/30/2004
Steve "Trap Daddy" in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Andrew: Congrats on your CYA deck! Chris Y. has some of those wide-boy Originals on his pumpers/skoggers, but with any wide truck you have to be REAL careful not to plant a foot on or under a rear wheel when pushing or skoggin' or even pumping and nailin' that big toe on that rear wheel. Yup, I've done that.
For me (IMO), I like my wheels to just stick out a tiny bit from the widest point of the deck. For my CYA, I've got it set up with a 135mm German Seismic Front wedged with an original CYA RadPad Wedge, a custom Geezer-X 135mm SureGrip Offset Rear (LOVE it!) mounted flat, and 3dm Avilas, 84a front/80 or 76a Rear. I've got a big roll of Nasty Grip (50 grit tape, 9" wide, any length), see BST for more info. I haven't yet, but Gumballs on the same set up would work awesome, too.
Chris Y: YUP...I agree. I wasn't too keen on using a 44' trap due to the inconsitencies (and inherent inaccuracies) with timing. I'm MUCH more sold on the 88' or 176' trap distances as well, and I agree that the milliseconds that you may get lucky enough to gain on the shorter trap do not surpass the value of being able to "hold" your top speed for that 1.5 (44'), 3.0 (88') or 6.0 (176') seconds.
Which, BTW, is an even 20.00 MPH!!!
Eric (SS): C & C's ideas were not shot down...not in the least! The Trap forum was set up to accommodate three different trap distances...and I have repeatedly said I prefer either the 88' or 176' versions. Times and MPH are easy enough to calculate over such short of a distance,. What shows on The Trap are Speeds so that someone running a different length trap can compete against the other lenghts...that's all. If there were just one Trap distance, we could post both raw times as well as MPH.
Part of this is my fault in that I instructed Adam to include the 44' trap...how was I supposed to know that the only four (to date) posted riders on the forum would run the shorter distance? The Trap is now and always will be a measure of one's maximum speed, and will continue to develop and evolve into something we can all enjoy. It may not catch on until it warms up again...so be it. If I did ask him (webmaster Adam) to remove the 44' trap distance, I'd be insistant on allowing the 44' trap times to stand that have already been submitted.
The other reason this hasn't been the event it could be is lack of promotion & participation...due to my absence. I have not promoted it in the least, as my personal situation makes it very difficult right now (I'm expecting my first born in late February 2005, and my job has me out of town 3-4 days a week). I know...WHAAAH.
I'll try to be here more often, and to put down some Trap times. I expect to see some times for you guys there, too! You can't complain about it if you're not willing to mark off the course and find a way to get a fast, accurate time.
-=S=-
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newbie reports
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On 11/28/2004 Andrew Lunsford
wrote in from
United States
(67.161.nnn.nnn)
Hello again,
Well my autotech tests for work are over now and so and i've had 4 days of pump sessions in last two weeks, thought i'd share some 46 year old newbie experiences with my setups and trials.
I'm still using and enjoying Chris' Tracker CYandall 33.75 x 9 concave stiffflex-camber board with approx 24.5" wheelbase. I covered it with clear grip tape, really just to show off a fun sticker underneath, but it ends up being a bit of a soft grit so i'll end up cutting out two sections for some sturdier jessup tape where my feet set. I started out with high hopes on a great slalom Turner TTC hanger-tracker RTX base, with "blue med bushings" ...the duros unknown, in the rear and put a wedged old tall tippy front truck, a Track Force oldie from the 70s i found cheap on ebay. Bushed this thing with a marshmallow and red dohdoh (had em laying around) and used my great gumballs in 81a.
This first session went ok fun for my 24 years off returning to the sport but i did tire and pushed it, ended eating it highside when i leaned a bit too far forward and unloaded the rear with a right toe pull wiggle. Beginner unluck, and a scraped up elbow. Needed more than just knee pads, I wear a full set of pads now including crashpad shorts! For grins, i sent Chris a short video of this laughable mistake and my wife was very supportive while taking snaps of me trials.
Next session out i wedged the old front truck and got a little more punch out of the turn, didn't fall either.
For the third and fourth sessions, i laid down some cash and purchased new trucks - Randal RII 180s - and a set of Grippens in 81a to try out, and wedged the front to level the board (camber's a front peak.) Now these trucks really turn! While i did get a bit more fluid and a bit faster on the same concrete walkpath, i still need lots more practice in staying smooth with my arm rock and hip twisting to avoid the slide out pumping at higher speeds.
I fell only once this time, a small sandy section my mistake.
So it will probably be quite a while before i can even consider doing the trap... I've got just shy of 4 hours total now. I'll try a newbie update again (possibly) with some Original trucks and a longer board to try out too.
My first 2 weeks worth of thoughts are that the wide trucks are helpful but practicing a smooth strong swing style and firm rear leg push toe-heel pump as the challenge of real ability to master and increase speed. I have not decided whether or not a longer board and wheelbase would help? Any thoughts are certainly welcome?
Thanks guys -Andrew
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Pumping Your Deck Devices
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On 11/20/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
>>>CYA, please give us more details on the set ups in your quiver pic below.<<<
What size Original trucks are you using? see image above. my board is 9"'s wide. So that size looks good :D
What wheels? same
Size? Durometer? i need to get more vague.
Tell us more about those decks please.
38" x 9" cambered / concave. stiff programmed flex. the one i have in stock is good for 170lbers and up.
What equipment does everyone else like for pumping? ???
What would be fastest for the trap?
176' 44' has been discussed. i like the 176 cuz i went out and did it.. and it felt right. Even with Chaput concurring! He's my hero :D
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Todays Pump Your Deck Session - San Diego
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On 11/20/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
Down at Marina Village by the boats.
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get your video on pumpyourdeck.com
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On 11/20/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
Looking for more pumpin' your deck videos. keep them less than 20MB and send them to samoa92064@yahoo.com I got 2gigs of email storage there :D it would be a labor of love thing.
dudes: get on your deck and pump the heck out of some smoooooth terrain, mix-it up with some nice cranking turns, skog at warp speeds and show the world that this niche of skateboarding rocks too.
formats .mov .mpgs .wmf only please
Dont forget, I'm a big web developer out here in san diego and if you need *any* website related goods, I can fix you up.
now to THE BEACH I GO
cYa
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Pumping your ASS off
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On 11/20/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
8 months ago, I weighed in at 243 and I was bummed. Today, I weighed in at 203 ! I'm stoked! I did it all thru pumpin and skoggin. Mixing the two in a 5 mile trip daily along with eating smart stuff, drinking lots of water and doing up a good vitamin spread got me here I am today.
My goal is under 200.
OK, I'm off to skog and pump. I'll be dropping by soulgrind.com where I'll put together my ultimate pumping board and place it on the rack for sale and it to soulgrinds shopping cart. I also add the package on my chrisyandall.com store site too.
Specs are COMIN!
Still debating between 36 - 38" lengths with varying widths bewtween 9 and 9.5"
a QUICK action turning truck like orginals and randalls rock. I'd recommend Seismics but Dan hates me :D . bahh. Seismics rock too!
wheels? gumballs and the seismic yellow wheels which should have my name on it soon :D
Chris Yandall
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Rocky Graziose
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On 11/19/2004 Ted
wrote in from
United States
(24.47.nnn.nnn)
Rocky Graziose places 3rd in Broadway Bomb competition in NYC. Rocky was riding his BINUS BOARDS flatland pumping model, as he clocked in at 30 minutes from 110th street and broadway to battery park. Check out the latest at www.binusboards.com, and place your order today for the limited edition plaid model, the graphic is a plaid pattern, it looks sick
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TTC
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On 11/18/2004 Andrew
wrote in from
United States
(66.124.nnn.nnn)
Hi Dave, yes my bad... hmmm, please excuse my confusion in spelling, ive been studying for tests along with long work days, and get here with only a moment to type... i bought a turner ttc truck off of kenny, and that's what i'll run on the rear. Can't wait for the weekend to finally arrive!
:-)
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Turner TLL ?
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On 11/18/2004 Dave G
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
Still not sure what a TLL is!! TCC maybe?
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Edit my last post
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On 11/18/2004 Andrew
wrote in from
United States
(67.161.nnn.nnn)
edit a Whoops.. i meant to say using a turner TLL 'RTX' tracker on rear in my last post.
I'd also sure like to hear more sucess stories.
Thanks!
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Ultimate Pumper
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On 11/18/2004
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(24.62.nnn.nnn)
I'd like to hear more about the best equipment for pumping.
What decks are best for pumping?
What length, ect?
Camber?
Chris Y. can you tell us more about the 38" deck you mentioned?
I might be interested in that. Details please!
I, like you, have found the Original trucks great for pumping!
I did not really get the feel for pumping untill I got those trucks
and a deck with some nice flex.
CYA, please give us more details on the set ups in your quiver pic below.
What size Original trucks are you using?
What wheels? Size? Durometer?
Tell us more about those decks please.
What equipment does everyone else like for pumping?
What would be fastest for the trap?
Thanks!
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board arrived!
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On 11/17/2004
Andrew
wrote in from
United States
(67.161.nnn.nnn)
Hey Chris, Yes it's here and i'm stoked! Seems to be a perfect concave and width for my feet so far and with a stiff flex on a slight camber, as i'm 6ft and weigh 205. It's not gripped or set up yet of course, but i plan to run gumballs with 75mm 81a on a ? (yet to be determined) in front, and a Turner TLL RTS 127mm. with flat risers at first. i don't know riser thickness needed yet, or bushing comps, but i'll try to report my findings soon. Any feedback is appreciated.
Thanks guys, and hey since i have a lot of miles to get caught up on regarding practice, this newbie will be looking forward to any more posts by those that have beginner type pump hints to add. I'm also a bike rider with quite a few years of riding on my legs. I hope this helps out with stamina and some speed soon too. It's been over 25 years since i really skated hard. (OG signing off to sleep now)
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Pump Boards
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On 11/17/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(63.196.nnn.nnn)
I think the optimum size for me is a 36" x 9.5" for short spurts but for the long run, the new 38"x9" I have really is sweet for my at 205lbs. I have few laying around that I'd unload for 50 bucks. They are brand new and have a stiff flex.
Currently for pumping, I'm finding the fast-action turning trucks like originals to be really sweeet.
Keep on Pumping! www.pumpyourdeck.com ! :D
Hey Andrew, :D I see you signed for the board today. Hope you like it! Cheers!
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ideal pumping setup
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On 11/15/2004
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(69.240.nnn.nnn)
Hey everyone,
I was wondering what you all think of as an ideal pumping setup, or what the closest I could get to with what i have.
My best bet deck wise is probably my comet street slalom 33" (pretty similar in shape and size to yandall's signature board w/ some crazy fibreglass bamboo core stuff)
I also have an old S9 cosmic 1 (pretty similar to above w/ a kicktail, no concave and quite a bit more flex)
Truck wise I have: R2 150s, Indy 169, Thunder Hi (basic street truck but turn real nice), o and 1 R2 baseplate w/ DH hanger on it
I have a great assortment of bushings right now too: Radikals in every color, 1 yellow stim, a set of bones hardcore meds (one of my favs), and then a bunch of stock randal bushings and the stock indy ones.
Wheel wise I will probably go with my grippins in 81a/84a but i've also got a set of 88a No Schoolz in the 65mm flavor.
Bearings, go with the fastest thing i can find i guess: i have some old bones swiss, some newish biltin's (abec 5 i think), and some new reds that are all pretty nice.
What do you think would be the best pumping set up with what i've got?
I see yandall is running originals on his pumping boards, how is the rebound on those puppies (i have yet to try them beyond a little ride down the street)
I was also debating getting a set of seismics (130s or 155s)
Thanks for your help
PS: I'm talking just about flatland pumping here but I still wanna be able to comfortably ride some decent size hills.
Thanks again
julien
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Quiver reply
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On 11/14/2004
Andrew Lunsford
wrote in from
United States
(67.161.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for posting a pic of your current quive Chris. I'm sure looking forward to returning to a skate scene on something that reminds me of my early years on comfortable lenght board, just a bit longer than the solid no-flex 8 1/4 wide birchwood i used to pump on and begin trans riding back in '77. Your recreational 34" looks to have a slight camber and some mellow concave and a long wheelbase. I'll start there and let you know what i feel when i get some time on it... Just got back myself from a 18 mile quick paced ride on my old schwinn paramount. Eyeballed a few cement trails while on the ride too. stay young and skogg on. I'm going to get pumped up again and see what i'm capable of doing soon.
Happy 50th Birthday to you!!!
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My Quiver Today
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On 11/14/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
Hey Andrew! Thanks for picking up one of my boards. Like I said, I'm totally into skogging and pumpin' as of late. I still get some vert but not like 30 years ago.
So this picture here, pretty much shows you my quiver. The deck that really turns me on is the 38"x9" . I'm working on a 36" x 9.5" to round out my flatland pumpin models.
It aint all about downhill these days. Flatland self generated speeds for races are an upcoming scene! RIght on? Y0.
I'm heading down to Mission Beach right now to get my Boardwalk Pumpin fix.
Cheers sk8rz!
Click here for link
p.s. Oh yea, my Park board is a PoolKing skateboard by my friend Michael Early. He's at Click here for link
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The Trap
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On 11/7/2004
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(24.62.nnn.nnn)
I have to agree with Chris Yandall and Chris Chaput.
A few seconds of effort really isn't much.
176 feet is still very short.
But it works for this type of event.
I'd like to see the fastest time (not speed) for a mile course or longer.
But that might just be me.
But since the whole trap thing kind of died after the ideas that Chris
and Chris were shot down, I think that may indicate something.
I don't know what, though.
I like the idea of push racing and pumping races.
By races I mean a group of participants all going head to head.
But timed events where competitors from around the world can compare
times to see how fast they are in relation to other skaters are great too.
I would like to see more brain storming on this whole matter.
Months ago there was a lot of energy going into this idea,
and then the whole thing completely died. Why?
Who else has thoughts, suggestions or ideas on this?
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Reaching Climax and forgetting the After Burn
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On 11/5/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(168.253.nnn.nnn)
hmmm. i've looked at this response(see end of this post) for months and still can't agree with it. my thinking was that you peddle up to the 176' mark and you blaze thru that entire speed trap area that measures your "best speed" within it. If your fastest time is when you hit the speed trap start, so-be-it.
if you want to continue stroking the walk or pumping thru it to increase your speed, you got 5 -7 seconds to do it.(if you burn out in less time.. check your oil) 44' to me assumes that terminal velocity will occur in much less time. dude, with 5-7 seconds at these self generated speeds, 176' STILL makes more sense. Instead of snaking a top speed, give it more time to determine THE top speed. And believe me ... how long is 5-7 seconds anyways? NOTHING! 176'!!! GET IT?
I even took my Ginko this month to ponder a better method of measure :D
anyways, that's my bitch today... I've been skogging up a storm. I love it!!!
I'd like to thank all the thought provoking people here for this thread but 44', IMHO really eliminates the millisecond shaves that 176' promotes.
cheers skaterZ
Chris Yandall
"A lmost. The "extreme effort" in this "event" is more in the accelleration prior to The Trap, and then maintaining the speed through it...however long or short. 95% of one's energy should be expended in reaching maximum speed. Remember...NO maximum approach! It's going to take not only strength and agility for this event, but some amount of skill in timing your speed "apex", and not burning out too soon."
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Pump Events
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On 10/15/2004
steelwheel Bob
wrote in from
United States
(63.164.nnn.nnn)
Wow!
I did not know you guys existed.
Too Cool!
I want to have a flatland/pump contest, maybe something like the Cyber contest at the WC, this December in Santa Barbara. I might call it the Korten Klassic Cyber Slalom Challenge and perhaps get ncdsa and OP to get behind it. Any suggestions?
Here is a letter I posted on the slalom page yesterday before I found this pump page:
Hi,
As you can tell by all the responses, the WC was over the top, and I think the Korten appearance helped pushed it there.
What I would like to do for CW is an interview with Korten and let Gilmore do the story of the WC.
Jim's story is very much like the movie "The Natural" staring Robert Redford where an aspiring baseball sensation disappears for well over a decade then reappears as a scruffy unknown attempting a come back. The mystic of the movie as well as the mystic of Jim's place in slalom history is one of wonder...could he have been or is he the greatest slalom racer of all time? The Redford movie ends in a triumphant and sensational moment...but you are left to wonder what came next? Did he go on to bigger and better things?
All things considered, Jim's reappearance in this WC was pretty dynamic and stimulating. But it leaves one to ponder what will happen next, how will Jim's story be played out? Will he take on the new breed and prevail; will he succeed against the older legends he never faced? Is he truly the Greatest?
Most of the racers of the 80's know Jim as the pro competitor. I know Jim as the guy that ran the CASL slalom contests, almost all of which were on flat ground with no starting ramps. This is where I did all my racing. This is where I learned to master the magic of the pump. Jim built a custom Korten Koffin for me and maintained it for all the years I raced. I have ridden that board consistently from 1988 to this day for transportation and demo's. I like to pass it around at flatland jams and let kids feel what a truly fast board is like, and teach them the Korten pump and let them experience the magic of being able to propel yourself on a board to ever increasing speeds without touching the ground.
Earlier this year at a flatland jam at Rengstorff I put out the Bob Staton Flatland Pump Challenge and tried to get people to race me in a large circle for three laps. Gary Holl was the only taker and he won easily and amazed even me as to how fast you can go just pumping. At a WFSA flatland jam in Napa last year some kid around 11 really took to the Korten Koffin and spent a lot of time riding it and doing all kinds of freestyle and street and skate park tricks and getting into the speed and handeling of the board. This kid reminded me of Jim himself. I skated with Jim several times at some big school yard banks and he could do anything with that board you could do on a street board, his one footed 360's on the banks were so cool.
We took about 40 pictures of the 'Napa Kid' doing ollies, shuvits, flips and power slides.
I could just as easily be known as flatpump Bob rather than steelwheel Bob because I take the Korten Koffin with me everywhere I take the 2x4...and for the same reason...to let people experience first hand the feel and the ride of these different boards and what their strong points are. I have learned many tricks and competed in many skate contests of all kinds, but the master of the wiggle, the king of swing, Jim Korten is the only person that ever taught me a skill.
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broadway bomber
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On 10/3/2004 Brendan
wrote in from
United States
(24.47.nnn.nnn)
Broadway Bomber pumping competition. 12 noon, 110th street and broadway, October 23rd. Test your skills riding in NYC. any other inquiries www.binusboards.com, then contact us. THANKS
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Pumping symmetry
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On 10/2/2004 Bugs
wrote in from
Japan
(220.4.nnn.nnn)
My toeside pump has always been stronger than my heelside pump. I'd always set up my deck with a wedged front truck and a de-wedged rear truck.
But I changed to a longer deck recently, and decided not to de-wedge the rear truck. Presto - my heelside pump suddenly became as strong as my toeside.
Anybody else notice this phenomenon? I'm thinking it's caused by the fact that my heelside pump comes from my rear foot, while my toeside pump comes from my front foot.
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The Trap
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On 9/24/2004
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(66.121.nnn.nnn)
Peter Klang of Sweden has just claimed top spot on the The Trap rankings from Micheala Dong with an 18.634 mph through a 44ft trap. Congrats Peter!
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New Boards!
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On 9/19/2004 Ryan
wrote in from
United States
(24.47.nnn.nnn)
I recently heard of a uprising company who really caught my attention. These boards will be great for any pumping competition because of the wheels they use. Their boards are currently in the press but i can't wait untill they come out. Check out their website to see what they are all about, i think they sell shirts and wheels as of now. The companies name is Binus and they also will be making surfboards. The website is Click here for link
Ride Hard
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How to Pump