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loose rear truck
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On 9/21/2006 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
(193.7.nnn.nnn)
A loose rear truck will slip out easier, because it will oversteer. You can dewedge it, so it will still move soft, but with less steering. The more you dewedge, the more wheelbite you will get, so have some risers at hand.
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loosening the rear truck
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On 9/21/2006
tarin
wrote in from
Denmark
(82.143.nnn.nnn)
kris,
dont the wheels slip out more when the rear truck is loose? i had them loose before and it didnt work so well for me. i was also getting more bite because the board would dip lower on pumps. how big are your wheels and how high up is your deck off your trucks?
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speed vents
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On 9/21/2006
tarin
wrote in from
Denmark
(82.143.nnn.nnn)
a friend just posted me some red seismic speed vents from the states. holy moly. the traction, the momentum, the acceleration, the ability to go straight up a kerb. these wheels have it all! the only downside is i've had to bump my risers up another quarter inch (now i'm sitting on 1 1/4"), and i cant get down and pull my board into a sharp backside turn anymore (for the risk of wheelbite), but the trade-off is worth it. and this problem will be solved when i get some more risers, from germany or the uk or the states or something.
these wheels are great, they're exactly what ive been missing.
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bushings in rt-s/x
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On 9/20/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
(71.133.nnn.nnn)
When using Khiro bushings in tracker rts/x trucks, what shape bushings do you use? (the cylindrical ones, cones, one of each, one cylinder and two cones, etc). I notice the stock bushings have one that is hourglass shape. are the stock babies any good? school me, please.
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from the new to the new
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On 9/20/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
(71.133.nnn.nnn)
as a new ldp'r, i'd like to offer the following bit of insight to other new folks:
don't neglect to experiment with the tightness/looseness of the REAR truck.
There is a lot of good talk/advice about front truck turniness, bushings, etc, but with the rear truck, I had kinda thought that simply keeping the back truck pretty tight was the idea- it would help me with friction, dig and stability. It does, but I just loosened the nut on the rear truck about 2 full turns a few days ago, and a whole new flow has opened up. Waaayyyyy better now- easier, faster, surfier, and more SUSTAINABLE.
i'm sure all you vets are well in tune with both trucks, but i think some of us new folks may not have gotten the message.
just thought i'd share
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Please, Hammer...don't hurt them.
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On 9/20/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
(69.228.nnn.nnn)
I've tried light and not-so-light taps with a sledge with no results. even heated the baseplates (has worked for other plates in the past). The old plate might be bent from the accident, but the new one is definitely ok. i think i'll be ok with the stock pins, but a little more room would be smoooooth.
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hammer time
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On 9/20/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Light taps with a hammer? Sounds like the baseplate might be a little bent.
"ANy advice on switching out kingpins on carver cx baseplates?"
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xfire set up, switching king pins
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On 9/18/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
(69.237.nnn.nnn)
Done, done and done. it's amazing how much extra stuff i end up buying to set up a deck. EVerything should be here within a week.
ANy advice on switching out kingpins on carver cx baseplates? Having trouble getting stock one out of new plate. Also, having trouble getting new, longer pin into old baseplate from cx truck that got run over.
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kris's cambrias
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On 9/15/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
I think the soft cambrias would be perfect for starting out, and they'll always be useful later on when you're getting faster and mostly riding harder wheels, then some gnarly surface calls for a quick change to something soft -- badda bing, they're right there in your (ever-growing) bag o' wheels :-) and nope you shouldn't need to shave em just schlap em on and go GIDDIT
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shaving
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On 9/15/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
(69.225.nnn.nnn)
i meant shaving, re Cambrias
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thx etc
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On 9/15/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
(69.225.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the tips on the x-fire. i see a good deal on 78a Cambrias...I wonder if that might actually be better for my applications? DO Cambrias require having, or are they ready to go?
sean- that is a cool deck. I agree that for pumping, narrower trucks would make a big difference, also a deck with a shorter wheelbase would be ideal. But with that said, I have a 56" deck with Indy 215s that I pump around. But it's more of a pump/kick kind of cruise, combining both. Also, I was pumping a 48" maple deck with no camber, on medium width Gullwing trucks (not sure of the exact width). It was not ideal, but that's how I learned to pump around for miles at a time...
I think having slalom-type wheels with more contact area will also help you get more traction. Krypto CLassics are great fast wheels for kicking into a slide, etc. (I like em for parking garages), but have kind of a narrow contact area to really dig in a good pump. My opinion anyway.
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roe X-fire
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On 9/15/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
kris thats a great deck, my xfire looks a bit swiss-cheesy because I've drilled it for everything from tight to GS!! great tips from sc. to take the guesswork out of the wedging angle, I typically put 2 of these angled risers (actually listed as "shock pads" because they're soft) on both front and back, works great to make the trackers really turny in front and stable in back. better yet, pick up one of the Khiro wedge kits, then you'd have the sharp angles but in a hard plastic, could combine one soft wedge with one hard one if you wanted to.
sean thats a great deck, though you might find those 10" trucks pretty wide for learning to pump. great for carving and big power pumps down mellow slopes, but i'd set up a shorter one with narrower trucks as well if you can!
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pumping cont
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On 9/14/2006 sean
wrote in from
United States
(64.105.nnn.nnn)
i found this out about my board. The Custom 45 Complete comes standard with S10 (250mm) trucks, Original 'Bolt' Wheels 70mm x 78a wheels and ABEC 3 Bearings. (Krypto Classic 70mm maybe be substituted for Bolts depending on stock levels).Similar to the Custom 35, the Custom 45 also uses both Concave and Camber to power through the transition. The wider S10 (250mm) trucks increase the turning arc and make the Custom 45 a great carving board by reducing the likely hood of sliding.The Custom 45 is constructed using 100% rock hard canadian maple for a more predictable flex pattern improving stability and cruising potential. if u go to http://store.originalskateboards.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6 its everything u need to know
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pumping gear
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On 9/14/2006
sean
wrote in from
United States
(64.105.nnn.nnn)
like i said im pretty new to this ill tell you what i know. its a original custom 45 (company) the trucks are springs and they are made by the same company. tropic 76 mm x wheels. i dont know if i told you anything useful but i could take a pic of it if u really wanna know. just tell me where to email the pic. by the way its a new jersey based company.
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set up roe xfire
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On 9/13/2006
sc
wrote in from
United States
(68.105.nnn.nnn)
setting up your crossfire
rtx/s 106mm, wedge front 10-15 deg, dewedge the back 9 deg or so
minimal rise to avoid wheelbite
khiro whites in front with the x, khiro reds in back with the s
62mm cambrias 82a or 66mm zigzags 83a, same duro all around
taste teste all the above and adjust to suit
also suggest adding some deck concave using dense aircraft foam
don't forget the gnarly grip
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roe crossfire 28
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On 9/13/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
(209.76.nnn.nnn)
For fun I just bought a gently used Roe Crossfire 28". I have no slalom experience or any specific ideas about setting up cones and using the deck for slalom...but I'd like to get input on setting it up. My budget says Tracker RT-S/X for trucks. So, what width? And for rise/wedging/dewedging, how much? Wheel suggestions, particularly diameter, but also duros and brands.
It hasn't arrived yet, so I have a little time to get it all together.
Thanks.
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only her witchdoctor knows for sure
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On 9/13/2006
sc
wrote in from
United States
(65.91.nnn.nnn)
just gotta feel it, there's no other way
make sure you have a turny front end
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getting started
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On 9/13/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
(71.129.nnn.nnn)
Sean-
I have to admit I have trouble with written explanations of pumping. The descriptions seem great, but I have a hard time translating the words into motion. For me, the magic combination was seeing a few videos online, then going out and trying. once I started, it was tough, but only for a very short period of time. It just naturally fell into place. Check out the videos on pavedwave.com, then go out and give it a try. You'll know you're doing it when you find your self going farther then you could with just your push. I recommend starting by pushing up to a good speed, then trying to maintain that speed by pumping. You'll see. Gear can be an issue too. What are you riding?
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pumping
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On 9/13/2006
sean
wrote in from
United States
(67.101.nnn.nnn)
im sean from new jersey and im 17. im new to the longboarding scene and i loved it from the second i got on my board. i mostly ride around my neighborhood because i need practice. the one thing im having a lot of trouble with is pumping. i have read Dan Gesmer's guide which every website seems to mention but i dont seem to understand it. does anyone have a way of helping me learn to pump. perhaps in person or by video or somthing. i really want to learn this ability because it sounds awesome. thanks a bunch to anyone that can help. email me if u like
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abz
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On 9/13/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
As for abs and vids, I hope the latter will help answer the former, as I've been planning put together some vid that is more focused on isolating motions. Maybe with the turn in the weather there will be more time at the keyboard for this?... In a nutshell I don't get abs to burn until those pumps where the upper body stays relatively quiet, and the lower extremeties are flying left and right, cranking at a pretty fast clip. Lately that's when kruder and dorfmeister pops up on the mp3 ;-)
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splits n CXs
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On 9/13/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Hey Chrys - lately i'm on 107mm splits for a few reasons, but still find both these and CX to be great for distance pumping. First, there a lower CG with Splits, because the angled wedging raises only the rear of the truck to make it turny/surfy, but doesn't raise the whole assembly, and the axle bisects the kingpin, rather than riding above it as on a standard reverse kingpin Randal/Gullwing design. Second, the narrower hangar and split axle means a very positive, snappy turn, and I like the fast control for avoiding last minute things like pine cones, potholes and dogs. As loose as I keep them with double barreled white Khiros, the effort of turning the front is almost nil -- mostly I'm powering off the stiffer rear truck and just pointing the nose, alternating directions with each pump. It feels almost effortless, but I do sweat, so I know there's some ergs expended somewhere.
The CX in contrast with its wider hangar (around 160mm?) lends itself well to a wider, more relaxed pump especially at 'higher' speeds, which in flatland is about the 15-20mph range. It requires more riser because of how the hangar swivels, but since pushing is rarely needed, it isn't too big an issue. Its got a unique surfy feel and is an incredible deal at around $50 for the front/back whereas the Split setups gonna run $200+. I think it thrives in the higher gears because of its width, and the way the turns are a little more laid-back, not as 'instant' as the split-axle, so it might seem to take a little more energy getting it up to speed -- but once I start overthinking this stuff I remember - 10% gear, 90% rider...
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pumping
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On 9/12/2006
Chrys
wrote in from
United States
(66.69.nnn.nnn)
So I have truck questions for James Peters and others.
What is the difference in ride from the Carver CX's to the Splitfires as far as effort in to pump / return on effort?
Which is harder or easier to pump?
Which is more suited for advanced pumpers or beginners?
Is anybody else riding the Splitfires instead of or in addition to the Carver CX's like James is?
Do tell.
Thanks.
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Just checking in.
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On 9/7/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(154.20.nnn.nnn)
Wow, long time no post! Good to see you guys are doing a grand job of keeping the long distance pump stoke going. I've spent a good part of the summer travelling and then, with batteries sufficiently recharged, returned to the intense and relentless Vancouver real estate scene to resume our househunt. As an aside, for those of you not familiar with Vancouver, it is an extremely desirable place to live and as such buying any kind of condo within the city itself is a challenging task. Competition is swift and fierce. There isn't much time to view a new listings, offers are taken sometimes the same day and no subjects are the rule if the prospective buyer wants their offer to even be considered. Ok, right, this isn't the Vancouver condo buyer's support group....so I won't go on and on.....only to say that last week we finally captured a condo. However, this project is only half complete now as we still need to sell our current place. The loft should go quickly in this market nevertheless preparing to show and reviewing offers will have its own thrills.
Suffice it to say, this project has cut back my available skate time...but not completely. I was just out for a great seawall pump this afternoon. It is, as most of your already know, such a great stress reliever and wonderful work out. Well when our move to the West End of Vancouver is completed in late October we will be living even closer to Stanley Park and one of the world's best and most scenic flatland pump routes, the seawall.
I'll check back her occasionally but for the next little while the distraction of selling and moving will continue to limit my computer activity.
In the meantime, keep up your great pump energy and the intriguing ldp equipment and technique discoveries.
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abdominal pumping
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On 9/7/2006
tarin
wrote in from
Denmark
(82.143.nnn.nnn)
as opposed to abominable pumping..
i feel my abs being worked most when im pumping uphill, or im trying to accelerate quickly, when i clench my abs in order to get tighter and faster oscillations. but generally, they still perform the bulk of the work even on flats. my feet get sore too but are less and less so as i get more used to pumping, especially the longer distances on a good day when i relax more and use i use my body more naturally and find a good rhythm.
also, make sure you're taking gesmer's advice about keeping your back straight and lifting your upper body out of your hips, that makes a lot of difference and keeps minor muscles from doing most of the work
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Pumping Videos
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On 9/6/2006 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
(193.7.nnn.nnn)
Check: pavedwave.com
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How to Pump