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roe mermaid
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On 11/2/2006 nick
wrote in from
United States
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hey, does anyone know whats up with the roe site? i was looking but it doesnt have anything to press, like push to buy. is the mermaid still a custom? is the mermaid as good as it sounds? just looking for pumping board. gonna go with a carver cx and gumballs.
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What's In a Name?
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On 10/31/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
I appreciate the concern, but I really don't think that "Fyre Trucks" and "Split-fire Trucks" or "Split-fires" will be confused. I'll never put the word "Split" in front of my name and Gary won't take it out from his. I'm not putting the number III in the name either. It's just a way for my friends and I to discuss what generation of protypes we're talking about. Fyre I and Fyre II make me sound like a submarine captain. Damn the torpedoes.
The thing that I got confused about was the "Dragon" this and the Dragon that. Slayers? Talons? Maybe I could call mine Fyre Spitting Dragons Laire?
Our basic bushings are going to be great, and I have some specialty bushings that will blow people's mind. Tweakage to the Nth degree!
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Fyre III / Splitfire
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On 10/31/2006
Chrys
wrote in from
United States
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Chris,
Are you planning on staying with the Fyre III name?
Might be a bit confusing for some with all the Splitfire versions already.
Can hardly wait for your final revisions and production.
Not to mention the urethane bouncy bits!!
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shhh....
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On 10/30/2006 deuces
wrote in from
United States
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Hello? Is this thing on?
Lol, every time I post here, the forum dies!
Okay I got a crash story. I was pumping along on this wonderful smooooth pavement on a fairly busy road near the house, just after dark. I was just shifting positions to the back for a maintenance pump, and WHAM! The board just completely stops. I don't. Fall wasn't too bad. When I went back for forensics, there's a meteorite there in front of my board. Like 5"x8"x3". WTF??? I thought Speedvents rolled over EVERYTHING! :)
Another time I saw one of those mini manhole things that usually say "WATER" on them, like 10" diameter. I rolled over it and got pitched. Upon inspection, I found a 5" diameter HOLE in the middle of the metal cover, that swallowed my front right flashback. Tried to take a picture of that one. Grrrr!!!
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You too
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On 10/24/2006 deuces
wrote in from
United States
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Copycat. ;)
Gareth got back to me. Thanks again James!
Now I need to figure out how to wake longboardlarry up...
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Mermaid
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On 10/24/2006
lonerider
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United States
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I sent you an email as well.
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Gareth
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On 10/24/2006 deucesdown
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United States
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Thanks Gareth (and James!). I've sent another mail. Lemme know if you don't get it, I have a handful other addresses I can send from.
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Mermaid
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On 10/23/2006
Gareth Roe
wrote in from
United States
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Lonerider and deucesdown -
I have not seen any e-mails from either one of you about the Mermaids - sorry. They cost the same as the other LDP and Longboard decks we are producing - $105.00. Contact me at this e-mail address and I will respond directly with any questions about availablity.
Thanks for the interest!
Gareth
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lexan board
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On 10/23/2006 nic
wrote in from
United States
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no i cant pump it super fast because the rear end keeps slippin but im sure if i got some bennets and abec11 grippins or some avalons on it i could move super fast
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Mermaid for Me Too
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On 10/23/2006
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
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Yea, I want to get one as well, but none of my emails have been returned.
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carver vs splits
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On 10/23/2006 deucesdown
wrote in from
United States
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I've got a Roe LDP, and have a set of carvers and asplit 90mm front.
I had the carvers first. Loved them, but they're WAY high off the ground. 1.5" risers and I still got the bite on big pumps. Plus, I was really worried about busgings and kingins all the time. I don't eat them like James, but I always carried spares (which could be hard to get) and a skate tool.
I got the splits to get lower and to stop worrying as much about bushings/kingpins. (thx again James)
well at first I didn't like the splits nearly as much. I didn't think they had as much power, and the feel was not as sweet as the carvers. much more precise for sure though. Well, I think I got over the power thing, perhaps my technique adjusted.
But, the carvers have this deep turn without tipping over so much. It's hard to describe but very sweet. The splits kind of dive sideways. Very fun in itself, but not as fun as the carvers.
i'll probably put the CXs back on this week for contrast. but I'm gonna hate the height!
Hey James, can you ping gareth for me? I wanna grab a mermaid before he starts charging reasonable prices for his wares ;) but I haven't gotten a response via email.
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lexan pumper
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On 10/22/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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nic, thats a wicked wedge on the back! it would be really cool to see that in action, any vids riding it? i have a buddy up here that rode a G&S that couldn't have been more than 26" long, and the guy is really tall and lanky, but could move that thing crazy fast.
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laminate
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On 10/22/2006 nic
wrote in from
United States
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 heres the laminate
 and of course the mxpx stencil i made
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nic's lexan board
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On 10/22/2006 nic
wrote in from
United States
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hey heres all the pics of my lexan board
  
i put that wedge on there to make it more.... um versitile and it keeps my foot from sliding off the back
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Got Pump?
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On 10/21/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Chris, keep an eye on this page, we're holding events where more reliance on pump is implied, since the courses are almost entirely flat. Our 26-mile Burke Gilman trail is very flat -- not like most of the cross-country city races which usually have quite a bit of downhill bombing.
The other pump-oriented event we've been kicking around is renting the velodrome in Redmond WA and doing non-cone relays / 1-miler / up the banks / and maybe throw an official 25-cone cyber in as well. We've looked into some insurance aspects and made progress with the bicycle association. One thing that would be really encouraging is to get more people logging their personal best CYBER MILES to get an idea of whether we want different divisions, or just Open, and if it will be big enough to warrant cheerleaders or not.
OH CRIKEY you would make it just that much harder to not go to Dixie! Well I'm gonna have to trust Gareth and Pauliwog to get some turns in on those protos...
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Got Events?
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On 10/21/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
Has is anyone had, or is planning to have, an event base on pumping yet? I'd be interested in seeing what everyone is doing "outside the cones". I like competitions and they tend to draw riders together, so how about something where there are pumping based sprints, hill climbs, longer courses, relays...?
It could be fun.
BTW, Wait til you guys try the Fyre III trucks that I'm making. There are a ton of great little tweaks available, but they turn AWESOME right out of the box. They are the most presice and smooth turning trucks that I've ever ridden, and I've ridden just about everything. You'll never have to wedge again. Go to the Downhillbillies race in two weeks and ask me to try them.
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trucks
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On 10/21/2006 sandybearings
wrote in from
United States
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enough about dolphins. Revenge or Seismics?
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Dolphin pumps
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On 10/11/2006 PSR
wrote in from
United States
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On another webpage, promoting the Carving aspect of Snowboarding, one guy chimed in on how to better do aggressive turns in soft, natural snow. I believe his comparison with dolphins, where the board dives into the snow at the turn's apex, and gets airborne between turns using the deck's energy-return flex was very apt. Actually, I think he used the comparison on porpoise! ;-)
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cross training
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On 10/11/2006 derek
wrote in from
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hey tarin-
i've been training for the seattle marathon next month, so i've been doing a bunch of running. i'm also getting started on a winter swimming routine, with the hopes of doing some triathlons late next summer. i think biking has lots of lessons to offer pumpers in terms of choosing efficient gears and cadence and stuff like that too.
i think even sports like golf or tennis or baseball can be applied to pumping a skateboard. hitting the ball well is all about dropping your center of balance into the ground at the appropriate time.
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different seasons, different sports
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On 10/11/2006
tarin
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hey derek, what other sports do you do at different times of the year? i know you're into aikido but dont know what else. me, i swim laps, and never so much as in the summertime.
anyone else do sports that they feel are similar to skating and pumping?
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dolphin pump
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On 10/11/2006
derek
wrote in from
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hey al-
nice work on the dolphin stuff there. that's some very cool stuff to read. I've been studying the same kind of stuff with running and swimming. the book "chi running" by danny dreyer explores efficient running motion, and the website totalimmersion.net is a great resource for learning all about "becoming slippery" and how to swim like a fish. the philosophy for both of these can easily be transferred over to pumping a skateboard or any other sport.
i'm a fan of having different sports for different seasons, and i think that exploring these other motions in the winter has led to some big insights when i step back on the board in february or march.
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More on pump propulsion and animal comparisons
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On 10/11/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
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PSR,
You are correct in all of your analysis of pump propulsion, and each element,ie. deck flex, torso and arm motion and a good return to center all work together for efficient skate pumping. I think that to increase efficiency we need to consider all of these characteristics and try to improve each one. Why I was so interested in comparisons to nature, especially dolphins and fish, is that we might be able to learn EVEN MORE, so as to get the most efficient set-up possible. We shouldn't try to 'copy' the dolphin in any way, because we are not likely to be pumping below the ocean any time soon. But to TRANSLATE dolphin technique and bio mechanics into skate technique and equipment, might be beneficial. I think the next advances in skate pumping equipment and technique might come from such comparisons and analysis. It's worth a closer look.
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Dolphin pumps
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On 10/9/2006 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.165.nnn.nnn)
Your trucks don't have springs, but some of mine DO! Seismics... You can adjust EACH Corner of the platform you're standing on to a tension that matches the power input you intend to input. Springs return the truck to 'near' center every turn.
Many of my 'normal' trucks use either Stimulators (which I'm quite aware I brought back into the public's eye) or Radikals for lower bushings, which in effect create a small amount of springing action as they return to center.
How many of you get 'light footed' on the cross-over from turn to turn? If you Retract at one turn's end, and Press on the next, will you gain energy from your board's camber/flex while using the same amount of effort? Do foot-blocks help? What about arm movement, or torso stretch across and/or up/down while pumping; Does that group of motions contribute to your momentum?
We're not as efficient as our smarter fellow earthlings, the Dolphins, even in our own hand/machine made environs, at motoring ourselves along. Heed what you see in nature, just don't expect to be able to copy it. ;-)
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More on dolphin 'pump' techniques
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On 10/9/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
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Taking a closer look at how a dolphin propels itself in water we can see that the main thrust is performed by the flukes of the tail, which move up and down in syncronized harmony with its body. What's interesting, and might have some significance for skate pumping, is that the dolphin doesn't use equal strokes, where equal force would be used in both the up stroke and the down stroke. Rather, the power is drawn from the up stroke only and the downstroke is basically a rest. The tail is provided with a mechanism to enhance this movement, and the largest muscles are on the upper portion of the tail, which powerfully pull the flukes upward. Also, there is very condensed blubber in the upper part of the tail, which is highly compressed during the upstroke. The compressed blubber acts like a monstrous skate bushing and springs the fluke downwards without using significant energy, thus allowing the dolphin to generally rest on this downward stroke. On the bottom half of the tail there are also spring-like legiments and smaller muscles which also aid in the downstroke.
So, what does this have to do with skate pumping? In pumping most of us right-handers also produce most of the thrust on the rear truck, and also using the 'up-stroke', that is, if we can be compared to dolphins. Pushing with our rear toe downward translates into pushing with our toes upwards if we are lying on our belly as dolphins do. However, the difference between us and dolphins is that our skates are pretty evenly balenced on both sides, and the trucks really dont have a mechanism to spring the hanger all the way back ..past the 'return to center', to provide us a rest. If we were to try to imitate the dophins style we would probably need a large spring attached to the left hand side of the deck, which in turn would be attached to the hanger.Or else maybe we might use a modified Seismic with a compression spring on the right side and an expansion spring on the left. Anyway, these are ideas that can be generated through studying nature! Now...if I can only get some extra time to try this dolphin theory out!
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Startin
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On 10/8/2006
Alan
wrote in from
United States
(24.161.nnn.nnn)
Haha, oh my gosh, can't believe how much good trucks make a difference. Got some carver cx's, with the risers it a lot higher than normal, but since I don't need to push except to start its awesome. I don't know if its my technique or anything but the lower part of my calves seems to be the area that being exercised the most. I also can't seem to be able to go long distances yet since my lead leg calf gets tired, might just be since I'm out of shape. I was wondering if anyone had that sorta problem, I guess, and how they got past it to really get the pump going.
Regardless, having so much fun pumping, even though right now I could push a longer distance right now pumping just has that awesome groove even though I have next to no idea what I'm doing, but it works!
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How to Pump