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Bennetts 'n' Roe LDP
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On 3/10/2007
Chrys
wrote in from
United States
(72.183.nnn.nnn)
So I've got the Roe LDP deck (not the new Mermaid) and I had Splitfire 107mm on there but they just went on my AXE II for slalom. So I'm thinking Bennetts 5.0 for pumping fun but I'm wondering if I need the back one or not. I have a Gullwing Super Pro III truck that has a hanger width of 150mm and is a bent pivot hanger kind of like a Tracker. The Bennett 5.0 is 127mm for the front. I'm kind of thinking that the back gets dewedged so it doesn't turn much anyway so maybe a non Bennett might be better in back than a turny Bennett that has to be dewedged to hell and made a lot less turny. Will the 150mm back be too wide? Will the two different trucks be an f'ed up combination? Tell me what you know. Thanks.
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snakeboard
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On 3/7/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
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correction to my post,
'top speed and short distance'
Long distance, I would put my money on peters ;-)
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Kickbiking
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On 3/7/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
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adam, shouldn't there be a pushing forum? ;-)
I still haven't master the art of pushing with my weak leg.
but seem like these guys would blow any skaters away...
Kickbiking Competition in Finland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2i9GhU0aME
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snakeboard
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On 3/7/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
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for the flats, I have a feeling snakeboards are faster than a skateboard in acceleration (no contest from dead stop), sprint, top speed and distance. (although I never got very good with mine)
but on a slalom course with decent hills, I think skateboard would win, I have never seen downhill snakeboard footage, (but I know there's a guy in europe that goes downhill on snakeboard) ...
watch this guy showing good form on acceleration...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=739A-MrCbq0&mode=related&search=
snakeboard micro slalom...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1oTgtO1YSM
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why even stand and pump...
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On 2/23/2007 peters
wrote in from
United States
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when you can just sit and skate? :-O
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pumgo
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On 2/22/2007
Adam
wrote in from
United States
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Why bother to learn to pump a skateboard when all you need is one of these.. http://www.pumgo.com/ ;)
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snaker
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On 2/17/2007 peters
wrote in from
United States
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is this the kind of board he's riding? i'd be curious what average kph he keeps it going! call it Long Distance Squiggle? ;-)
http://www.mtbz.com/images/snakeboard_skinner_200.jpg
# Length 29" - # Width 10" - # X-bar Length 22" - # Wheels 62mm
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offset cyber
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On 2/17/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Ravn - sounds like an interesting experiment! I keep seeing kids wiggling 'Wave' boards down the trail lately, funny little boards. The snakeboards are faster, but it'll be interesting if you can get your buddy to clock some times, and post some pics of that setup!!
Here's a little viddy of some Offset Cyber and random LDP footage that's been kickin' around. Flatland offsets really get your pump dialed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTnXVolGfb4
Off to skate, cheers!
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Re: snakeboard
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On 2/14/2007
ravn
wrote in from
Germany
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I found a snakeboarder who is willing to do the cyber mile when the weather allows. I saw him skating indoors on flywheels and it did indeed look fast. From the people I saw in the streets, I always believed the snakeboard to be something fun at low speeds, but I'm apparently wrong and it should be well suited for LD"P". It's just got a tough learning curve in comparison to a longboard pumping setup.
We agreed to skate a longer distance together some time and compare the general speed, muscle fatigue and ergonomy issues. When seeing each other pump, we were both convinced that the other's technique must be terrible for the knees. ;) I'm looking forward to find that out, and I definitely have to practise on a snakeboard.
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modified mummy
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On 2/1/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
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hey cam, that little board had the 106mm rtx and split 107mm rear and served me well for tight slalom, its a 17" wheelbase which is a bit short for me now, so I'm setting it up with midtrack front and RTS back and using it as a cruiser. the skate $$ used to be an issue until i discovered the magical slush fund that is paypal and started selling old non-skate stuff out of the attic ;-)
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peters landyachtz slalom board
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On 1/30/2007
cam
wrote in from
Australia
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hey peters i checked out pavedwave.org and saw the gear section. you have a lot of $$ tied up in skateboards which is pretty cool. anyway i saw the chopped down landyachtz mummy and noticed u had a splitfire r1 as the rear truck. what width is that truck is the front rtx 106mm. anyway thanks, i need some advice.
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Sidewinder
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On 1/28/2007
Jack
wrote in from
Australia
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I recently got a sector 9sidewinder for christmas and i am trying to learn to pump. Do you think it is necesairy at all to modify my setup or do you have any basic advice i could learn from. Thanks
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winter pumps
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On 1/20/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
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RAVN - 92km is a killer ride!! Good on ya. Those Flaeming trails sound like magic. Riding in the dark too, eh?? The winter commutes here now require a headlamp and blinking light, look like a pumping pinball machine!
deuce, almost missed that point about the foamie. i've had the same experience switching from a longboard to my buddy's foamcore w/tightened down PVD in rear and Rad in front... that thing SHOT down the sidewalk effortlessly. though for the long hauls, a longer wheelbase saves tons of energy. my buddy who tries to keep up on that short foam board has to sprint, then coast, sprint, coast, etc... whereas on a big WB with a good rhythmic cadence, you can maintain speed with bigger, powerful pumps, movin' like a freight train. once moving like that, I definately prefer just that little edge of having an offset or splitaxle truck in the back. the traction gained is small, but cumulatively it adds up...
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snowboard pumping &c.
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On 1/18/2007
ravn
wrote in from
Germany
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You might just try to mount snow blades on your Carver CX trucks. I guess the snow will have to be quite densely packed, though. Anyone ever tried to pump on ice, using blades?
Anyways, it's nice to hear that you guys are enjoying the snow. Over here, we're having temperatures around 10-15°C and I'd like to renew my invitation to check out the Flaeming skate some day. Given the nice weather, I took a day off on Tuesday and tackled the big "RK1" track. The track is more varied than the others.. you have long gentle downhill passages through the woods, tracks across the center of small towns and some more steep parts as well. Starting at around 10am it took me until after sundown to complete the whole 92km. The last five km were probably the hardest, as with the darkness came wind and rain as well. My sunriser lights helped me to find my way, but their light just barely suffices to let you see obstacles shortly before you hit them. My legs still protest, but I am happy as can be.
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originals
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On 1/17/2007 nelsonn
wrote in from
United States
(67.185.nnn.nnn)
I've been running them pretty tight and I think they already had some kind of lubrication in them. The thing is I'm not exactly sure if the trucks were new when I got them because they were with a home made board I got on ebay. I don't know if the board had been ridden on before I got it or not.
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original bushings/cams
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On 1/17/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
i think if you keep them snug, they'll last a lot longer. were you running them particularly loose? i've also heard keeping them lubed up with white grease makes them last but I'm not sure what kind exactly. I wouldn't want to recommend something that melts 'em...
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ldsp
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On 1/17/2007 nelsonn
wrote in from
United States
(67.185.nnn.nnn)
So much for my dream of riding down and back up the mountain. Anyway, I ordered two sets of cams/bushings from the Original site. Is there any way to ensure longevity for these things? I broke mine within about a month.
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re: rev Avilas
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On 1/17/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
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Eric -- excellent to hear your endurance experiences carried over into this, thanks for comments on the site! Really opens up the possibilities when flatland like you've got is a big wide open LDP playing field. Having the healthy addiction helps eh?? Would be cool to see shots or vids of your rides in Lille!
I like the stickiness of Avilas with the lips shaved off, that would be similar but not exactly like flipping. Center of wheel would be pulled in a decent notch, cool to hear more of your riding impressions on this.
I did test out some of the Sidewinder trucks, IMO they're a really fun downhill carver, the ride is slower and surfy, CarveBoard-ish, they pump nicely, though a touch on the high side. For LDP I wouldn't mount them to match front and back, but put a stiffer truck in back, then you'd need serious riser for the rear. I tinkered with various setups but never quite got one that felt effortless and forward-powering (fast) enough for long flatland rides.
Happy pumpin' new year back to you, and welcome--
jp
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LDSP ;-)
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On 1/17/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
nelsonn, we're snowboarding tonight, i'll tell someone there to give that a shot and videotape 'em. ;-) i think you'd need a nose that tic-tacs, like the front couple feet of the board cut off at a circular angle and reattached into the board with tongue and groove, adding small bearings inside for the nose to swivel. or a board with hyper camber and ultralight, so you're actually able to bounce turn to turn. OR just get back on the chairlift at Whistler and board for 2-3 hours effortlessly before reaching the bottom of the hill....yeah...that sounds more like it.
btw saw your post in Trucks, i've got an extra pair of those Original cams/bushings in case you haven't found some yet.
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LDP
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On 1/15/2007 nelsonn
wrote in from
United States
(67.185.nnn.nnn)
Does anyone know if it's possible to pump a snowboard? Obviously you could pump if you were doing some downhill slalom thing, but what about flatland? Or uphill?
I figure it would be insanely hard, but I think cross country snowboarding would be a sweet alternitive to LDP in the winter.
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Seismic
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On 1/14/2007
Adam
wrote in from
United States
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Since I have the original German Seismics (before different baseplate angles were offered) I do wedge the rear to remove steering. I also add 1/2" riser to the front to increase leverage. Not enough is said about this latter method, imho, and it really can wake up a truck's action. I run ultra-light springs up front and two levels firmer in the rear.
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Seismic
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On 1/14/2007 Juan M
wrote in from
Venezuela
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@ Adam, thanks and one question: when you use Seismic trucks, do you have them with any sort of wedge front and rear?
Thanks
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Seismic trucks for pumping
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On 1/13/2007
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(208.64.nnn.nnn)
Don't discount Seismic Trucks for pumping. I get great results with mine. Just don't under-spring your trucks (i.e. do use heavier spring on the rear) and go with the slow-turning baseplate in back.
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welcome
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On 1/13/2007 deuces
wrote in from
United States
(72.76.nnn.nnn)
Heeey, another guy read the whole thread! :)
I have tried pumping on Holeys, and didn't like it toooo much. Just didn't feel like I could get my weight into the transitions.
The Carvers are indeed frighteningly high, but almost pump themselves. If you are, as you say, addicted, you will have to try these sooner or later. Take your medicine! :)
I've tried the slalom trucks, splitfire front, Tracker RTS rear. Very good. Very different feel from the Carvers, and pumps well going slow or fast.
The Randals are really not bad at all for carving, especially with a flexy deck. The 180s don't have too much of a low gear (slow), and the 150s don't have as much of a high gear (fast).
Bennetts appear to pump fairly well. And I'm having surprisingly good luck with Independent trucks, 169 with a slight wedge.
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reversed Avilas
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On 1/13/2007 Eric
wrote in from
France
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Hi everybody,
I'm new to this forum. First I'd like to thank all the contributors for their very precious advices. I learned a lot reading the 1367 posts.
I'm from Lille, north of France a few kilometers from the belgian border. The land is as flat as in the song of Jacques Brel "le plat pays" with quite a lot of ways for bicycles, not as much as in Belgium or Holland, but it is not so bad.
I started longboarding at the end of last summer and I discovered LDP at the same time thanks to the pavedwave website. It immediately interested me, first as a natural way of commuting. Second I like endurance, I'm also a marathon runner. I think I'm addicted to skumping now. My only board is a 44" pintail Lush Mako with Holey trucks. I wedged the front and dewedged the back with khiro shockpads. I replaced the front stock conical bushing by a white Khiro barel. Recently I moved the front truck to reduce the wheelbase to about 28". The board is much more dynamic with this shorter wheelbase but at the beginning, I had the strange feeling of energy lost as the front truck moved from one limit angle to the other one as if there was a mismatch between the wheelbase and the trucks hanger width. I ride on clear red Avilas which are quite wide. Today I tried to reverse the wheels so that the wider lip looks inside. This decreases the total width of a few centimeters. It feels like the pump is more fluid. It seems to keep the traction and smoothness, with an improved transfer of energy. Did anybody else experienced with reversed Avilas ?
I guess someday I'd like to try other trucks also. I'm a little bit afraid of the height needed with the CX. Did anybody has further comments about the RTR (I already read the description of James Peters on the pavedwave gear page)?
I also heard about sidewinder Gullwings. Is there a place where I could learn something about these rare trucks ?
Happy new pumping year
Eric
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