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footstops
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On 3/16/2007
cam
wrote in from
Australia
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hey if im regular footed, what bolt hole should i put my footstop through
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pumping setup
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On 3/13/2007 Daniel M.
wrote in from
United States
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heres my pumping setup, what do you think?
sector 9 trilam, carver C7 front, standard carver back, 1/2 inch risers, 70 mm 75a nineballs
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Bennett/Tracker height
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On 3/12/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(208.5.nnn.nnn)
Chrys, expect around 3/16" more height from the Bennett, if you're running flat, no wedges. If you de-wedge the rear Tracker (more stability) , it'll actually sit a little lower that you'd expect for the 'nominal' height of the wedge riser. You'll probably have a slight nose-up attitude with the board if using similar sized blocks/wedges front+rear. This actually isn't a bad thing if you Skog on trails that have uphill sections, as you get better push-off leverage with a taller nose.
Best thing here is to play the 'shim + wedge game', go get some Dooks or similar thin risers, and a Khiro Rail Wedge Kit (which has a whole slew of riser height/angles in it), and some extra Long screws from the hardware store. Warning; Tinkering with the wedge and height combos may take a few trys to get things settled in where it all works out, so be patient. It's worth the hassle. Having a board set-up just right makes for big grins afterward!
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Bennetts 'n' Roe LDP
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On 3/11/2007
Chrys
wrote in from
United States
(72.183.nnn.nnn)
PSR-thanks for your input.
To keep it easy I bought that Tracker RTS 129mm to go behind the Bennett 5.0 front. That way I can keep running four Gumballs on that deck. No back wheels sticking out too far and 2mm width difference I won't even notice. I think the Tracker will be a better back for the Roe LDP deck than a matching Bennett. Those Bennetts are so turny. It would need more work to make a suitable back than the Tracker,I think. Is the height of the Tracker and the Bennett close?
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Cruiser truck/wheel widths
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On 3/11/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.69.nnn.nnn)
Chrys, if you run a center-set bearing wheel (Manx,Grippin,Zig-Zag) at the rear, and Flashbacks/Avalons up front, the widths would just about match up. For Skogging, cruising, or just fast pumping, you don't want the wheels sticking out too far (can catch on the shoes when kick-pushing hard), but you'll want Some extra Width, just for stability. Besides, you're not trying to cut it close to a cone in pumping turns, so have some wheel poking out isn't going to be a real big issue...
The Gulls should be a nice rear with the Bennetts, and might not even need any de-wedging. However, pay attention to the bushing selection, and perhaps change the pivot cushion to a Hard Khiro or Hard Tracker to give it a smooth light turn-in. The soft pivots kinda gum up, and create a good deal of turn-in resistance, and will make a truck feel 'dead'.
The rear truck that would match up really well (same wheels on all 4 corners) with the Bennett front would be a Tracker Dart/RTS 129mm. The Gullwing is pretty close in overall feel, just wider and lower, so it should be fine.
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Bennetts 'n' Roe LDP
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On 3/10/2007
Chrys
wrote in from
United States
(72.183.nnn.nnn)
So I've got the Roe LDP deck (not the new Mermaid) and I had Splitfire 107mm on there but they just went on my AXE II for slalom. So I'm thinking Bennetts 5.0 for pumping fun but I'm wondering if I need the back one or not. I have a Gullwing Super Pro III truck that has a hanger width of 150mm and is a bent pivot hanger kind of like a Tracker. The Bennett 5.0 is 127mm for the front. I'm kind of thinking that the back gets dewedged so it doesn't turn much anyway so maybe a non Bennett might be better in back than a turny Bennett that has to be dewedged to hell and made a lot less turny. Will the 150mm back be too wide? Will the two different trucks be an f'ed up combination? Tell me what you know. Thanks.
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snakeboard
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On 3/7/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.139.nnn.nnn)
correction to my post,
'top speed and short distance'
Long distance, I would put my money on peters ;-)
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Kickbiking
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On 3/7/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.139.nnn.nnn)
adam, shouldn't there be a pushing forum? ;-)
I still haven't master the art of pushing with my weak leg.
but seem like these guys would blow any skaters away...
Kickbiking Competition in Finland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2i9GhU0aME
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snakeboard
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On 3/7/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
(71.139.nnn.nnn)
for the flats, I have a feeling snakeboards are faster than a skateboard in acceleration (no contest from dead stop), sprint, top speed and distance. (although I never got very good with mine)
but on a slalom course with decent hills, I think skateboard would win, I have never seen downhill snakeboard footage, (but I know there's a guy in europe that goes downhill on snakeboard) ...
watch this guy showing good form on acceleration...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=739A-MrCbq0&mode=related&search=
snakeboard micro slalom...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1oTgtO1YSM
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why even stand and pump...
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On 2/23/2007 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
when you can just sit and skate? :-O
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pumgo
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On 2/22/2007
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(208.64.nnn.nnn)
Why bother to learn to pump a skateboard when all you need is one of these.. http://www.pumgo.com/ ;)
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snaker
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On 2/17/2007 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
is this the kind of board he's riding? i'd be curious what average kph he keeps it going! call it Long Distance Squiggle? ;-)
http://www.mtbz.com/images/snakeboard_skinner_200.jpg
# Length 29" - # Width 10" - # X-bar Length 22" - # Wheels 62mm
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offset cyber
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On 2/17/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Ravn - sounds like an interesting experiment! I keep seeing kids wiggling 'Wave' boards down the trail lately, funny little boards. The snakeboards are faster, but it'll be interesting if you can get your buddy to clock some times, and post some pics of that setup!!
Here's a little viddy of some Offset Cyber and random LDP footage that's been kickin' around. Flatland offsets really get your pump dialed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTnXVolGfb4
Off to skate, cheers!
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Re: snakeboard
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On 2/14/2007
ravn
wrote in from
Germany
(195.37.nnn.nnn)
I found a snakeboarder who is willing to do the cyber mile when the weather allows. I saw him skating indoors on flywheels and it did indeed look fast. From the people I saw in the streets, I always believed the snakeboard to be something fun at low speeds, but I'm apparently wrong and it should be well suited for LD"P". It's just got a tough learning curve in comparison to a longboard pumping setup.
We agreed to skate a longer distance together some time and compare the general speed, muscle fatigue and ergonomy issues. When seeing each other pump, we were both convinced that the other's technique must be terrible for the knees. ;) I'm looking forward to find that out, and I definitely have to practise on a snakeboard.
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modified mummy
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On 2/1/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
hey cam, that little board had the 106mm rtx and split 107mm rear and served me well for tight slalom, its a 17" wheelbase which is a bit short for me now, so I'm setting it up with midtrack front and RTS back and using it as a cruiser. the skate $$ used to be an issue until i discovered the magical slush fund that is paypal and started selling old non-skate stuff out of the attic ;-)
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peters landyachtz slalom board
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On 1/30/2007
cam
wrote in from
Australia
(220.233.nnn.nnn)
hey peters i checked out pavedwave.org and saw the gear section. you have a lot of $$ tied up in skateboards which is pretty cool. anyway i saw the chopped down landyachtz mummy and noticed u had a splitfire r1 as the rear truck. what width is that truck is the front rtx 106mm. anyway thanks, i need some advice.
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Sidewinder
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On 1/28/2007
Jack
wrote in from
Australia
(149.167.nnn.nnn)
I recently got a sector 9sidewinder for christmas and i am trying to learn to pump. Do you think it is necesairy at all to modify my setup or do you have any basic advice i could learn from. Thanks
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winter pumps
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On 1/20/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
RAVN - 92km is a killer ride!! Good on ya. Those Flaeming trails sound like magic. Riding in the dark too, eh?? The winter commutes here now require a headlamp and blinking light, look like a pumping pinball machine!
deuce, almost missed that point about the foamie. i've had the same experience switching from a longboard to my buddy's foamcore w/tightened down PVD in rear and Rad in front... that thing SHOT down the sidewalk effortlessly. though for the long hauls, a longer wheelbase saves tons of energy. my buddy who tries to keep up on that short foam board has to sprint, then coast, sprint, coast, etc... whereas on a big WB with a good rhythmic cadence, you can maintain speed with bigger, powerful pumps, movin' like a freight train. once moving like that, I definately prefer just that little edge of having an offset or splitaxle truck in the back. the traction gained is small, but cumulatively it adds up...
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snowboard pumping &c.
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On 1/18/2007
ravn
wrote in from
Germany
(195.37.nnn.nnn)
You might just try to mount snow blades on your Carver CX trucks. I guess the snow will have to be quite densely packed, though. Anyone ever tried to pump on ice, using blades?
Anyways, it's nice to hear that you guys are enjoying the snow. Over here, we're having temperatures around 10-15°C and I'd like to renew my invitation to check out the Flaeming skate some day. Given the nice weather, I took a day off on Tuesday and tackled the big "RK1" track. The track is more varied than the others.. you have long gentle downhill passages through the woods, tracks across the center of small towns and some more steep parts as well. Starting at around 10am it took me until after sundown to complete the whole 92km. The last five km were probably the hardest, as with the darkness came wind and rain as well. My sunriser lights helped me to find my way, but their light just barely suffices to let you see obstacles shortly before you hit them. My legs still protest, but I am happy as can be.
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originals
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On 1/17/2007 nelsonn
wrote in from
United States
(67.185.nnn.nnn)
I've been running them pretty tight and I think they already had some kind of lubrication in them. The thing is I'm not exactly sure if the trucks were new when I got them because they were with a home made board I got on ebay. I don't know if the board had been ridden on before I got it or not.
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original bushings/cams
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On 1/17/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
i think if you keep them snug, they'll last a lot longer. were you running them particularly loose? i've also heard keeping them lubed up with white grease makes them last but I'm not sure what kind exactly. I wouldn't want to recommend something that melts 'em...
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ldsp
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On 1/17/2007 nelsonn
wrote in from
United States
(67.185.nnn.nnn)
So much for my dream of riding down and back up the mountain. Anyway, I ordered two sets of cams/bushings from the Original site. Is there any way to ensure longevity for these things? I broke mine within about a month.
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re: rev Avilas
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On 1/17/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Eric -- excellent to hear your endurance experiences carried over into this, thanks for comments on the site! Really opens up the possibilities when flatland like you've got is a big wide open LDP playing field. Having the healthy addiction helps eh?? Would be cool to see shots or vids of your rides in Lille!
I like the stickiness of Avilas with the lips shaved off, that would be similar but not exactly like flipping. Center of wheel would be pulled in a decent notch, cool to hear more of your riding impressions on this.
I did test out some of the Sidewinder trucks, IMO they're a really fun downhill carver, the ride is slower and surfy, CarveBoard-ish, they pump nicely, though a touch on the high side. For LDP I wouldn't mount them to match front and back, but put a stiffer truck in back, then you'd need serious riser for the rear. I tinkered with various setups but never quite got one that felt effortless and forward-powering (fast) enough for long flatland rides.
Happy pumpin' new year back to you, and welcome--
jp
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LDSP ;-)
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On 1/17/2007
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
nelsonn, we're snowboarding tonight, i'll tell someone there to give that a shot and videotape 'em. ;-) i think you'd need a nose that tic-tacs, like the front couple feet of the board cut off at a circular angle and reattached into the board with tongue and groove, adding small bearings inside for the nose to swivel. or a board with hyper camber and ultralight, so you're actually able to bounce turn to turn. OR just get back on the chairlift at Whistler and board for 2-3 hours effortlessly before reaching the bottom of the hill....yeah...that sounds more like it.
btw saw your post in Trucks, i've got an extra pair of those Original cams/bushings in case you haven't found some yet.
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LDP
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On 1/15/2007 nelsonn
wrote in from
United States
(67.185.nnn.nnn)
Does anyone know if it's possible to pump a snowboard? Obviously you could pump if you were doing some downhill slalom thing, but what about flatland? Or uphill?
I figure it would be insanely hard, but I think cross country snowboarding would be a sweet alternitive to LDP in the winter.
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