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Any upper extremity amputees out there pumping?
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On 1/4/2005
Jack Merica
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
Last month after purchasing my 9 year old his first "real" skateboard for Xmas, I bought a Sector 9 Platinum Bomber for myself. I'm 45 and its been a good 15 years since I did any serious skating. I'm looking for some advice from any fellow UE amps out there who skate. How do do you build the pumping momentum with one arm? I always seem to end up slowing down instead of speeding up. Any suggestions? After seeing CY's deck on the Tracker site and veiwing his website I decided the 44" Bomber was too long and purchased a CY deck yesterday. I can't wait to get it and outfit it. I found a site out here in Colorado that had Turner Avilas on sale for $18 a pair and decided to try these. I'm going to pair them with some 150 MM Randal II's and see how they work out. After I get the pumping figured out I'll think about tackling skogging, but not until I get some Crashgear first. ;-)
Cheers,
Jack Merica
Aurora, Colorado
God rides a longboard.
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Distance Pump and Carve
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On 1/2/2005
munson and peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Hey pumpers-
For the past several years, we have been studying the art of pumping and perpetual carving over longer stretches of terrain. While our current best is a continuous 15 mile ride without touching foot to ground, our current goal is to ride the entire 27-mile Burke Gilman Trail in Seattle strictly by pumping. We’ve tried to find others doing similar Gesmer-esque experiments, haven’t had much luck.
It would be great to talk to anyone doing this, or anyone interested in joining us for a ride sometime.
Please check out www.pavedwave.com to see what it is we’re doing.
Peace out homies…
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Chris Y.
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On 12/23/2004
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
gotcha, C. I'm always on the lookout for shapes I like that work with my size 12 narrow & flat gunboats. 36 x 9 sounds great. I've got a Loaded Pintail that fits that bill, with lots of pop! I'd like something like that with a bit more width for my rear foot.
AFA "footage" (pun intended), we'll have some of that for you once our Christmas present gets here from my in-laws! ;-D
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays...Skate Safe and Be Well.
The Michael's in AZ
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Steve in AZ.
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On 12/21/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
I have for immediate delivery, more .... just go to www.tailtap.com or if he's out, try www.chrisyandall.com :D
I think the requests around the planet for this deck is admirable. I built it for smaller feet since it was the first in my fleet. 36 x 9.5 and 38 x 9 stiff flexers are my passion. I miss that Madrid/Hickey deck. It's the board that kept me pumping back in the 90's but I think I got something a tad better.... the 36"x 9.5 is perfect for my wide size 13"'ers. I've tried all those fancy turned up boards and stuff and I just like my mini tramp(concave/cambered) :D flex for bustin' down the sidewalk. as you pump up and down, it just makes sense to me to have the board POP.
I'd like to see these guys talking different pumpin' board designs show me their style a la video. (yea, get on the deck and show the pump behind a camera!). ON THE FLAT, GENERATED SPEED. NO CHEATING! If you can get me mpg's of mov's, i'll post them in swf format. email the stuff to chris.yandall@gmail.com ( i have some extra invites if you need a gmail account )
I love the yikkety yak over this niche of skateboarding. As long as my knee's hold out, I'll be rockin' down the sidewalk, bombing hills and making kick turns off the coping!
OTH, mixing up skogging and pumping for miles is a nice walk these day for me. ! it's grooovy! :D
cYa
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Greg-O's Pump
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On 12/21/2004 Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Whoa, there, G! Did you say Greens or Purples in 110mm trucks??
First off, the 110mm is the older style composite Seismic truck. From what Dan sez on his website, I'd be carefull about running the newer springs in the older trucks. I think he recommends AGAINST using the older springs in the newer trucks, but I'm not sure about the other way around. Running the Greens or Purps in that narrow of a truck is probably going to be WAY too stiff, even at over 200#.
Second, if you're only running that narrow of a truck on the shorter board, the Yellow/Red combo should be just fine! I'm 190#, and that combo allows me to pump up to speed very quickly on the more narrow trucks. But I thought you were talking about a LONGboard, and that your Seismics were wider.
I think you'll find that having a truck that puts the wheels out to AT LEAST the edge of the deck, and preferrably 1/2" out from there makes for the best pumping leverage and traction. Chris Y. (see set-ups below) prefers an even wider truck set-up than that. I've recently tried a more narrow set-up on my TS board (Seismic 110 Silver front, SplitFire 108 spaced to 110mm rear with Grippins) seems WAY narrow, and I feel myself "tipping" over the edge of the board.
Finally, try a little something that works for me...
Using your same set-up, just add another 1/8" spacer to the truck. That gives you a little more leverage and a bit more "tilt" in your pump. But don't go too high!
C'mon by the house this Christmas weekend, G.O.; Chances are all of the neighborhood kids (and myself) will be out ridin' our new skateboards. It'll be in the upper 60's and sunny here in Scottsdale!
Oh, and that goes for anyone who may find themselves in the area this coming weekend. We'll run some TRAP times or some CyberSlalom.
-=S=-
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Thanks Steve
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On 12/20/2004
Greg Olsen
wrote in from
Canada
(206.172.nnn.nnn)
Thanks,
I have some new purple and dark green springs and will stick them in the 110 Seismics and see how that feels. I am gettting the hang of propelling the stiff board with counter rotational pumping but it is so graceless compared to downweighting pumping....
Grego
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Stiff flex pump & stuff
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On 12/20/2004
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Greg O.:
Yup...I know what you mean about that little bit of flex giving you that extra push-back to your pump. Shorter slalom decks allow for you to get the same effect by pulling or pushing instead of the deeper leans with a longer or flexier deck.
To answer your question, at 210#, you've got to at least throw some RED springs on the back end of that bad-boy. If that's still too loose, put some reds up front. If that's STILL not giving you the energy return you're lookin' for, go to some greens in back. If that fails, then set up your board more like a GS board and try the Seismic in front and a Tracker Dart in back of equal width.
My three best PUMPERS are:
-Loaded Pintail, flex 2, RII 150's and harder Avilas.
-Chris Y. Sig, German Seismic 135 F/Geezer 135 o/s R, Gumballs 84f, 78r.
-Bozi GS36, Aluminum Seismic 155's 45*f/30*r, 74mm75a Amber Flywheels.
The loaded and the Bozi have the flex & the return pop, but the CYa makes up for that in a slightly shorter wheelbase and a sweet concave.
I still got me ONE more CYa in the plastic wrap! Chris...I think Tracker is out of them...you got any more, or are you just doin' the longer signed decks now?
-=S=-
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stiff vrs flex pump
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On 12/17/2004
Greg Olsen
wrote in from
Canada
(209.205.nnn.nnn)
I just built my first rigid board (post 193457 in Boardbuilding) and I am not really enjoying the ride. My pump was totally dependent on flex and unweighting but those don't work or occur on a stiff board. Pumping on a stiff deck is more about counter rotating the upper body against the lower. I have been able to so that on a very stiff flex board but on a non-flex board it is weird. I also tend to make my recreational turning quite deep and wide turns. With all the leverage of a wide, stiff deck I am at lock (Seismic trucks) right away without much resistance. I am up on the two inside wheels in fact. I guess in slalom one does not turn so deeply and the limitations of a truck do not come into play. You just angulate the ankles enough to get around the cones while doing the counter-rotation pump in the upper body. I never get a sense on my flex decks that I have reached any kind of turning limit though...more of a traction limit. Should I not expect the deep carving turns on my combo of Siesmics and a rigid board or do I just need heavier springs in the Seismics. The Yellow springs seemed fine on a narrow (LY AllStar). But I am 210lbs. I guess I am looking for pumping/basic turning/ set up advice. BTW Skogging is what I need to reduce my girth so I am in!! Unfortunately it is winter. We have had a warm weather repreive the last couple of days and I got to skate at lunch but it may snow again this weekend. I wonder if I lifted the back of my wife's treadmill up whether I could skate on it ..kind like surfing indoors all winter...
Thanks for any advice,
Greg
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PUSHING UP HILLS
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On 12/17/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
Nick, thanks for the kudo's.
Someone get me on Oprah! :P
That's some amazing stuff you did there. And doesn't it seem logical that using both legs to push makes sense for long distances? I'm a bump skiier too and when you think of the fall line on the steep and deep and compare it to skogging, the relationship is similar. You work off the fall line straight down the sidewalk :D. I need to get some better videos on my techniques because I'm really feeling like I'm hitting the stride right on the money when I alternate on every push at around 12mph....
So, I'm heading down to the beach now. Sunny San Diego is in the 70's today and a beau day to smell the ocean.
As for pushing up steep hills... alternate your legs every push, stay as low as you can go and use your whole foot from toe to heel on each push, heel down first and then thrust through your whole foot to your toes. I'll get a video of this soon on how I do it.
You'll need some stamina :D That I can only recommend getting off the couch and going for long swift skogs.
I prefer to use the word "skogging" over "jogging" for the simple reason it's more definitive. skateboarding + jogging = skogging .
Whatever the case, doing it over talking about it is my preference. I'm available to talk it up with anyone. Just go to my site and let me know who you are and I'll call you! I need more skoggers getting jazzed about this aspect of skateboarding.
Here's my favorite set up. I'm selling personally signed boards produced by a famous local longboard company. 7 ply cambered/concave laminate.
Original trucks seem to be making me happy for those quick slashing turns at 2mph :D
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PUMPING exercise :D
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On 12/17/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
Spamming the msg board today!!!
I get in shape skogging and offroad unicycling. WHAT A COMBO! Yep.. at the ripe old age of 50, i'm feeling like a teenager again! :D Old pic but I'm still digging the scene with a gangter's lean.
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"Cut The Jive And Jog" = Guinness Book World Record
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On 12/17/2004
Nick
wrote in from
United States
(66.87.nnn.nnn)
Chris -
I read your article Cut The Jive And Jog back when I was 11 years old. I learned to "Jog" soon after and have used my skateboard for transportation extensively ever since.
Jogging certainly came in handy last year, when I joined Jack Smith for the "Skateboarding Across America - On Board For Lowe Syndrome" trip from Oregon to Virginia. Being able to push with both legs was natural after 27 years of doing it, and helped make our 2774 mile trip a whole lot easier.
I'd like to thank you for opening my eyes to Jogging, and helping us achieve our goal of skating across the country in 21 days.
Do you have any secret techniques for pushing up steep hills?
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Skogging: Cross Country Skiing on your Skateoard
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On 12/17/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
Hey Guys,
The whole skogging issue is in this thread for one reason. I love to pump and skog for exercise. I'll skog for about 200 yards and pump for 100 andd then go back into that glide.
Check out www.skogging.com at the bottom. I put up some recent video's where I show you can almost glide like a bird on the flats from your own generated speeds. In fact, on one video.. the birds seem to dig what I'm doing. I often head down to the north east mission bay area, mission beach boardwalks and mira mesa lake to catch exercise of this nature.
I love downhilling still and you can find me skating at www.powayskate.com and Memorial Park in Logan Heights, OB Skate and soon Encinitas.
I enjoy this message board since it's a great way to let people know that some of us die hard skaters like cliff coleman and myself keep stroking the pavement because the sport is a true love. And opening up different aspects of the sport will keep the sport alive in many different ways.
Getting air over the coping is just as difficult as switching feet over 15mph :D . think about it!
checkout www.skogging.com .
Cheers !
Chris Yandall
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skogging
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On 12/17/2004 Neil
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(217.154.nnn.nnn)
Oh so thats skogging, not sure about pushing with my left foot though. I can see road rash ahead
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Skogging along, singin' a song
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On 12/17/2004
PaulW
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(194.223.nnn.nnn)
Surely you mean "Skogging™ ©2004 CYandall International All Rights Reserved"?
As I understand it. Skogging is the name given to alternate leg pushing. So you push a couple of times with one leg, then push a couple with the other -rinse and repeat for hundreds of miles. Best tried at low speeds on a really long, wide and inflexible board. Or better still, not tried at all! Catch a bus if it's that far away!
Okay. I'm kidding.
Chris Yandall has a video cap on his site showing some skogging if you're interested. Google for Chris Yandall and I'm sure you'll find it.
P.
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Skogging
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On 12/17/2004 Neil
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(217.154.nnn.nnn)
What is skogging, i know what pumping is but this is the first time i have heard of skogging
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Flex & Skoggin'?
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On 12/15/2004
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
I'm predominantly a right-pushin' standard stance rider, and I've been this way since 1974. Recently, I've been working on getting my balance and rythym on my left-foot mongo push. I've done this on a number of my decks, and I've found one thing that remains consistent...
Flex is NOT my friend with my alternate push foot. My right leg and right foot have enough to worry about without having the board bend beneath it. A stiffer, flatter...and a little bit narrow, like Chris Y's deck...seems to work best for me. YMMV.
Now I just have to find a way to keep my left foot push from slowing me down instead of speeding up.
-=S=-
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On 12/15/2004 tom in toronto
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Hey Chris Y
Just watched your video of pumping your deck...thats exactly what i've been doing on my 36" homemade flexdeck...but your deck-is it flexy? anyway , keep it rollin'
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Road Pumping Warriors
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On 12/7/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(63.196.nnn.nnn)
As long as the roads are nice and smooth and free of the dreaded wheel-lock-rocks(if you've skated a lot, you know what I'm talking about, it's like surfing and getting pitched over the falls).
I dont like being on the same road with cars. Too many freaks out on the road. So I skogged yesterday and will skip today because of too much work but will hit the skate rinks tonight for some shake-your-booTAY stuff.
Pump Your Deck!
Chris Yandall
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Pumping to work
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On 12/5/2004 Bugs
wrote in from
Japan
(202.32.nnn.nnn)
I sometimes skate to work, pumping all the way. It's 5 km (just over 3 miles), almost completely flat, and I've worked up a real sweat by the time I get there.
It's a real workout.
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wot's wot in pumping?
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On 12/4/2004
tom in toronto
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Yo...love that skogging footwork...crazy... never seen that, gonna try it!
Checkin in from canada to say an envious hello to you Cali skaters...it rains here every other day and gettin cold...oh well summer comes eventually...
Love to know all about v-lam technology and pumping...who's riding what? What boards are best for a 210 pounder who wants to pump all the way to work? Is that remotely practical or just a fun way to ride? I can "pump" a bit on the shortboards but i really wanna see how fast i can go with a great-pumping deck.
any help greatly appreciated!
-tom in toronto
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.... wide trucks and skoggin / pumpin
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On 12/4/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
With the proper technique, I've been able to skog for years with a few foot-to-truck mishaps but both times, I was able to react quick enough to avoid disaster. As long as your technique is clean and you are aware that a bad step could occur anytime, it's not entirely out of the question to counter it.
I'm using 7"(inner wheel base) originals on my 38" special.
As for geting times who's the fastest in the world... I'm trying to work out a deal with the mission beach city officials to permit a contest on a choice boarwalk area. Wish me luck!
Chris Yandall
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Wide Trucks and Skogging
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On 12/3/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(168.253.nnn.nnn)
Hennessy's in PB, is a great start for an early morning skog for me. Formerly Tugs Tavern from the early 70's where my PB clan frequented on Thursday evenings for a .99 special. 3 rolled taquitos and a plate of beans and lettuce. oMg. After a full day of surfing, it was a great nourishment investment. OTH, it was a reat place to park prior to going for a nice longboard run.
Thanks for the kudo's on my video's and contributions to what I think is a monumental stride for skateboarding. Being able to get good clean exercise on your board in any fashion is a plus when you think of all the conventialal boring ways like jogging, biking, blading etc. And downhill is spendid exercise too especially when you walk back up. Riding vert is great exercise too but let's face it... the transition on your joints can take it's toll. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I'll be riding vert into my 70's but it will only be because I do the basic skogging/pumping exercise. and I'm keen on this device that adds to my quiver of fun for life.
Dudes, I can't express to you how cool it is for my personal health happiness by maximizing my heart rate everyday through skogging. Of course hitting a halfpipe and rocking back and forth with just fakees is a splendid discipline too but with skogging you can get scenery, a hike thru the beach area... and for me, a business cruise marketing my web biz in Pacific Beach and Mission Beach. Yea, I visit clients and potential clients on my skateboard. :D
At 50, still skating and seeing most pro's back from my era limping along and it's somewhat amusing. Many won't even get on a board. Skateboarding is forever for me. I want one in my casket :D They are all singing the "the older I get, the better I was tune". (with exceptions like Cliff Coleman e.g.)
And the technology today keeps getting better for boards, trucks and wheels. For me, a simple 34-38" 7-ply stiff flex cambered/concave drop-shaped deck with a 8.5" to 9.5" width variant is great for me. I keep seeing all these gimmick looking stuff coming out. wheelwells, cutaways and dropped level decks. YUK.
For this old man... :D .... I said what I like and that's that! I'm using trackers, originals, seismics and randal's . for me, the turning action of originals for pumping and skogging the flats rocks for me.
hugs from san diego to all.
Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho
Chris Yandall
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Thanks Steve
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On 12/1/2004 andrew
wrote in from
United States
(67.161.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the follow up Steve. Feeling renewed after years off, i've gotten swept up by fun memories and crazy vintage ebay searches... i sure need more time pumping my boards! Chris' posts with the videos got me hyped again. Now i find meself web crawling searching out great advice written by some very sucessful riders and i thank you all for making these public shares... I've already learned and put to practice several bites of strong practical know-hows
I also feel a bit more comfortable with my narrower trucks, as you're right on the money regarding dreaded wheelbite on a sneaker can end a session real quick.
I just have to try the new generation stuff too, to get feedback for my progress.
Thanks -Drew
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'Drew's new do, The Trap & stuff
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On 11/30/2004
Steve "Trap Daddy" in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Andrew: Congrats on your CYA deck! Chris Y. has some of those wide-boy Originals on his pumpers/skoggers, but with any wide truck you have to be REAL careful not to plant a foot on or under a rear wheel when pushing or skoggin' or even pumping and nailin' that big toe on that rear wheel. Yup, I've done that.
For me (IMO), I like my wheels to just stick out a tiny bit from the widest point of the deck. For my CYA, I've got it set up with a 135mm German Seismic Front wedged with an original CYA RadPad Wedge, a custom Geezer-X 135mm SureGrip Offset Rear (LOVE it!) mounted flat, and 3dm Avilas, 84a front/80 or 76a Rear. I've got a big roll of Nasty Grip (50 grit tape, 9" wide, any length), see BST for more info. I haven't yet, but Gumballs on the same set up would work awesome, too.
Chris Y: YUP...I agree. I wasn't too keen on using a 44' trap due to the inconsitencies (and inherent inaccuracies) with timing. I'm MUCH more sold on the 88' or 176' trap distances as well, and I agree that the milliseconds that you may get lucky enough to gain on the shorter trap do not surpass the value of being able to "hold" your top speed for that 1.5 (44'), 3.0 (88') or 6.0 (176') seconds.
Which, BTW, is an even 20.00 MPH!!!
Eric (SS): C & C's ideas were not shot down...not in the least! The Trap forum was set up to accommodate three different trap distances...and I have repeatedly said I prefer either the 88' or 176' versions. Times and MPH are easy enough to calculate over such short of a distance,. What shows on The Trap are Speeds so that someone running a different length trap can compete against the other lenghts...that's all. If there were just one Trap distance, we could post both raw times as well as MPH.
Part of this is my fault in that I instructed Adam to include the 44' trap...how was I supposed to know that the only four (to date) posted riders on the forum would run the shorter distance? The Trap is now and always will be a measure of one's maximum speed, and will continue to develop and evolve into something we can all enjoy. It may not catch on until it warms up again...so be it. If I did ask him (webmaster Adam) to remove the 44' trap distance, I'd be insistant on allowing the 44' trap times to stand that have already been submitted.
The other reason this hasn't been the event it could be is lack of promotion & participation...due to my absence. I have not promoted it in the least, as my personal situation makes it very difficult right now (I'm expecting my first born in late February 2005, and my job has me out of town 3-4 days a week). I know...WHAAAH.
I'll try to be here more often, and to put down some Trap times. I expect to see some times for you guys there, too! You can't complain about it if you're not willing to mark off the course and find a way to get a fast, accurate time.
-=S=-
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How to Pump