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On 2/28/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
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Thanks peters, Jack. Its a bit of a surprise to me to hear you mention such long wheelbases (I thought 32" was getting too long for any real pumping...who knew?), but I'm starting to see the light...My quiver has grown like a rabbit farm as well...up to 5 now with 3 more in production...He who dies with the most toys wins!
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YO Tom T.
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On 2/28/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
cYa's website is http://chrisyandall.com/
Peters is quite right. There is no one size fits all deck. Whether it be for pumping or any of the other disciplines in skateboarding. The best board is the one you feel most comfortable with. My quiver is growing in leaps. I have seven boards I've bought in the last 3 months and two on the bench. One is in the last phases of finishing and the other is being readied for the first cuts. I like my CYs just about the best because FOR ME they work well for not only pumping but for anything other skating I may be doing. My current project is learning to skog.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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pumping wheelbases prefs
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On 2/27/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Hey Tom - for long distance, long stride flatland pumps, I'd stick with 32" to 41" -- that extra wheelbase gives you a pump you can actually maintain for miles without cookin' your legs/abs too fast.
Between 25"-32" -- great on fast downhill pumps and most of the short boardwalk pumping + pushing stuff you see here.
On short distance, fast pumps (racing, sprinting, acceleration) TS or GS -- majority of the slalom market -- 25" and under.
Try a lotta decks out and see what works for you. We just had an amazing day of slalom up here in the SUN (at least until tomorrow) and I tried out about 10 different decks, most of them high-performance like Roe, Chicken, and Insect, a refactored Fiberflex, Bahne, and even a chopped-down Sector9 (thanks Stryker for bringing only a fraction of your collection!!) They all offer different pumps entirely - and these were just for hybrid slalom. There ain't no one-size-fits-all deck, that's for sure!
cheers - peters
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On 2/27/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Hey guys,
Just wondering what your preferred wheelbase is for pumping...25"? less? MORE?
Also, can anyone give me the web address for this new CYandall pumping phenomenon?
Thanks,
Tom T
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38" CY Prototype
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On 2/26/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
I've spent the last evening preparing my CY for its maiden voyage. I custom gripped it last night with a good luck dragon cutout. This past evening I airbrushed the same good luck dragon on the bottom of the deck. Around 1 AM I went for my first ride on this beauty. Its 34'F outside, there's a beautiful full moon playing tag with a partly cloudy sky. As soon as I stepped aboard the CY38 I knew I was on something special. This board pumps with very little effort. The flex in this deck is fantastic. Pushing and pumping this board is, for lack of a better term, a natural feeling, nearly effortless. This board wants to pump.
Congrats again to S-in-A. Have fun with Race. You'll love this deck. As you've taken the name of YAYA for your deck I hereby name my deck BOO-YA.
CYa. Flexes beautifully, pumps easily, a comfortable ride so far. Waiting on Gumballs and Originals. Rode it w/ Randal 2 - 180's and 70mm78A (-balls. A terrific ride. Tried skogging w/ it and angered my tailbone again. I'll keep it up til I get it.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
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Got mine...
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On 2/25/2005
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
(68.239.nnn.nnn)
Swapped my 36" 3DM for a CYA Wreck Cruiser.
Set it up with 8mm axled/135mm hanger Randals with steep baseplates, a little wedge front, and little dewedge rear, PT ceramics, and Grippins. I tried it with Gumballs, but it was super tall then. The Grippins are a nice compromise, but I'll try some 73mm Flywheels too.
I've ridden it around the neighborhood 'til it snowed a couple days ago, and look forward to using it on a big open GS course at the next DC Outlaw slalom / DCDC downhill thing next week.
It's a little bit higher camber than I've been riding, but I'm interested to see how it works as an allarounder. I've found the past 3 years I most often grab a 38" FibreFlex pintail (with the aforementioned shortened 8mm Randals) but always wished it was a bit stiffer and that I could generate a bit more power with it. Anyway, it was looking pretty manky, and setting up the CY allowed me to degrip and desticker the FF, sand and urethane the filthy scuffed up edges, and rebuild it with some different stuff. I'm thinking a lightened 127 TTC in the back, and a 127 RTX in the front, both with spherical pivots. Gumballs or small Flywheels...
Anyway. The CY WC is a fine deck. Nice shape, well made, rides great, pumps very well, and I suspect it'll kill for GS on a big hill.
And it's nice seeing Chris posting here. I used to commute on a Hester back when I was in high school, pumping and jogging all the way. I read "Cut the jive and jog" in Skateboarder and wondered why it had never occurred to me to push with my OTHER leg before.
I've been trying it again, seeing as mostly I ride slalom, I push mongo, and sometimes it would be convenient to push the way all those other guys do. Skogging will get that happening for you.
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Congratz Steve!
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On 2/25/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Dude, my 2nd(of 3) child just turned 18 today :D
and my son, justin will be turning 15 in June. my oldest daughter is 25 and a gonzo snowboarder living in denver working as a bartender in the cherry creek area and skates the parks near downtown. the kids add a spice of life to your skating when they start skating too. My oldest daughter skates to stay in shape for snowboarding and my son is chasing skating stardom as millions of kids around the nation have also...and they've all taken to this sport only 30 years in age since the urethane and casted truck birth back in the mid 70's (um.. right around my hayday). i knew it would be mainstream someday and I bet your new addition to the family may gravitate to daddy's skating antics. Let's hope so!
Glad you got your board and your baby around the same time :D That means something.. eh?
It means sleepless nights coming soon along with crappy stinky diapers, constant crying and that miracle of holding that precious life form and giving it the same love you might show for the new deck I just sent you. :D
cheers mate and congratz to you and the wife!!!!
sweet skating dreams and stuff ...
cYa
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Stupid HTML.
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On 2/25/2005 New Dad
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
Here are the missing parts of that text:
Got my 38" Yaya (I like this name for my new pumping deck!) yesterday. Thanks, CY! It's gonna be a while until I can grip & rip it. I still have to get my trucks back from Geezer (hear that, Eric??!!), and I'll be busy with some other stuff as well:
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Got the deck, CYa...and MORE!
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On 2/25/2005
Steve "New Dad" in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
Got my 38" YaYa (
Richard "Race" Radcliffe Michael
Born 5:40 PM MST, Thursday February 24, 2005
Good Samaritan Hospital, Phoenix Arizona
6 lbs 8 oz, 19.5" wheelbase, no griptape
Laura, Race and I are doing fine but we're dog tired.
We'll get to all the phone calls, e-mails & NCDSA posts
soon, but it may be a few days.
Thanks to everyone around the world on NCDSA and Slalomskateboarder.com for the good wishes, thoughts & prayers. Laura, Race and I really appreciate how kind you've all been.
Must sleep...
-=S&L...&R=-
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Huzzah :D
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On 2/23/2005
cYa
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Stoked you got it! Man I was worried but the shipping department that owes me plenty got busy ??? (excuses) Steve's board should arrive tomorrow. It went out one day later.
If you think this board is a 34" on steroids, the board at my airbrushers is
x 100 with a wider tail.
just a 7ply cambered/concave economical feel for perhaps a composite design in the works somewhere :D
Gimme some feedback and remember, this is one design I may keep forever as part of my quiver of designs.
I'm diggin this arena to sport my planetary droppings on what I think rocks my world at pumpin' at 50.
God Rides a snappin deck!
cheers and hugz
Chris Yandall
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CY 38" Wreckreational Prototype
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On 2/23/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
The CY 38" prototype arrived today.HUZZAH! All I have to say is SWEET. This board looks like a 34" on steroids. 38" x 9" concave and cambered, drilled at the extreme ends of the board. I'll let CYa give you folks more specifics. Nice rebound just standing on the board w/o trucks/wheels and pumping it to the floor. I am still gathering the parts and such for testing and evaluation. Thanks CYa. I'm going to ride this every which way. Per your request emphasis will be placed on learning to skog.
Cheers,
Jack in Boraurora
God rides a longboard.
Skate liber vel moritus!
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peters
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On 2/22/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the reply. I doubted at first, simply because I've never seen them FROM THE FRONT!! Glad to hear they're so good for pumping...my world revolves around the quest for the perfect pumping set-up...Guess I'll give 'em a go!
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pumpin' originals
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On 2/20/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Tom, we just pumped 16.8 miles today (six laps) around greenlake on those trucks you see in CW, they're Originals as far as I can tell. I resurrected my Original Super Carve (47"x9" - 9-ply) which I reserved for carving hills, and tested it all day on the flats. Turns out its a sweet pumping deck/truck combo as well! -peters
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Help!
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On 2/20/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Guys, Please help! Concrete Wave Vol 3 No 3 (Holidays 2004) "24 Hours In Down South" pp 68-69. The guy in the low crouch, 2nd from the left... What the heck kind of trucks ARE those???
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RE: Jumpin Jack Slalom Decks
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On 2/15/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(208.20.nnn.nnn)
cYa,
It was a thought. The only short boards I was ever any good on were fiberflexs. I was never in the class of the contemporary crowd, Hacket, Brown Bomber, Chicken etc. I just like to skate for fun and go fast. I'm always up for something new and I get passionate about products I like that work for me and the good folks who design them. I'm a CY convert. I only ride something that I feel comfortable and safe on and I only deal with folks I feel I can trust. It was just a thought, you go where your heart leads.
I can't wait to get wheels on the 38" and go to work. First the snow must melt. Pumping and skogging rock.
BTW, I left my phone numbers in one of the emails I sent you, home and cell. :-)
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard!
Skate liber vel moritus.
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Jumpin Jack Slalom Decks
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On 2/15/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(63.196.nnn.nnn)
I think a 7 ply racing deck would rock. 34" stiff concave/cambered is almost as good as a flat deck, eh? I'm obvioulsy not on top of the downhill racing stuff but I can say this, the contemporary crowd, Hacket, Brown Bomber, Chicken etc ... are kickin ass thru the downhill cones on flat/stiff short boards. I was at the last downhill pumphouse race in poway and got a nice peek at what the guys are riding and their techniques. It's a hellofa discipline flirting with optimum turning speeds on the brink of missing cones all the way down. I was jazzed to see the superhuman feats! This aint no disco! No foolin around :D ! I dont know if I could integrate a design since I need to get out there and see if I'm worth a damn :D so I could intelligently design something seaworthy.
I'm still looking to develop recreational pump/skog decks designs and that's pretty much where my heart is. I just need bucks to fire up all this stuff. It appears to be in the stars and I'm pursuing what I can do with what I got.
BTW, you guys needs to leave your phone numbers with your orders. My shipper is bitchin. I got yours from 411 but Steve, y0. email me your phone number ASAP.
Your boards are going out today. Steve's may get delayed until phone number appears.
Thanks again and enjoy! I killed 2 of those boards so far from pumpin' the crapola out of 'em. :D You guys will be getting some fresh snapper! So go out there and RIP 'EM UP BRO'S!
hugz
cYa
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RE: My Pumpin' Decks
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On 2/14/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(4.227.nnn.nnn)
WOOOOOOO! HOOOOOOO! A CY 38 to test to my hearts content! I am so stoked! I went out on sunday and scouted some sweet spots for Longboardmaps.com, I found five, 3 of which are right outside my office window. I gotta post those soon. A cloudy, cool San Diego day... I miss The Strand in the South Bay... (heavy sigh). CY, the 34" is a carving machine w/ Gumballs and Randal 2 150's. The only thing better is having the local high school cheerleading squad over. Half of them relaying racing beers for me and the other half peeling grapes. Damn it was great day! Cheetos and clamjuice for all friends!
CY, I was running some cones yesterday. Trying to get this old bod to remember what to do and it hit me... an epiphany... like a drunk having a moment of clarity, after your done with the 38" you should design a new slalom deck. Something that's sexy fast, with a good forward high snappy camber, generous wheel cuts and about four rear truck settings so a rider can dial in the ride they want. Man I KNOW that would not only sell but with the right trucks and wheels it would be a winner. What do you think?
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
Gode rides a longboard.
Skate liber vel moritus!
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My Pumpin' Decks
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On 2/14/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
I skogged and pumped for an hour today down at cloudy cool sun diego mission beach today :D
skating vert, pumpin, skoggin and shaking it up with my babe is keepin me in great shape! I'm trying to break the 200 lb barrier. I'm down 80 lbs from last year and I owe it all to laying the rolling smack back on the cement.
Decks go out tomorrow for the both of ya!
Remember, I want serious feedback ! Let's do it here, since we're blazing the trail for new pumpin' designs with the rest of the skaters here. pumpin a flat board with your feet directly over the trucks/wheels is not as much fun as a deck that absorbs the weighting and unweighting while gyrating. i dont care how many contests someone wins with that kind of board, it doesnt make it the right fit for everyone. Not only are they flat, they are boring. i rode flat/stiff decks for years. boring yuck, spit, splatter, blah bleh. ACK!
I've got my newest proto nearly designed and Dennis at Sector 9 with Victor are kickin out some final shapes.
The deck I have now is basically the same as the one I'm shippin' to Steve and "jumpin Jack boraurora flash" but with a wider tail and wider rocker for my big size 13.5 feets. this deck was indeed a sweet sweet sidewalk spaceship!
hugz to all!
cYa
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Proto Money
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On 2/14/2005
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
On it's way! Thanks, CY.
-=S=-
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38" Decks
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On 2/13/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
CY,
Done deal. I just paid my visa bill. It'll take a couple days to clear. I'll paypal you by Wednesday 2/15. Have a great Sunday.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
Skate liber vel moritus!
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38" specials
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On 2/13/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
OK these prototype decks cost me 25.00 to template out. I'll ship for free at my cost.
Give up your beer for a week and paypal me the amount, I'll ship!
Steve? Jack? deal?
here's a look at the goods. (note: deck only to ship ;D)
http://chrisyandall.com/38inchers.jpg
cYa
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skogging "pain in the ass" Jack
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On 2/13/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
Exactly! A real pain in the ass when you fall. Other than that I'm having a good time with it. I'm having a bit of a time getting into a rythym, but it'll come. That's where stubborness (and a good pair of padded roller-hockey pants come in). I'm looking forward to the day when I have it completely nailed. Waiting to hear back from you on 38" deck issue too. Thanks for your response and your time. Its a beautiful day in Boraurora. My son and are going out to scout/skate some locations today for longboardmaps.com. I'm taking my CY 34" to see how it carves hills and run some cones with it.
Cheers,
Jack in Boraurora
God rides a longboard.
Skate liber vel moritus!
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skogging "pain in the ass" Jack
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On 2/12/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
pumpin' and skogging long distances is yummee! pumpin' gets repititious and mixin' it with a skog on the flats is a splendid exercise.
um. it's only a pain in the ass when you fall ? ;P
cYa
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RE: "pump" board
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On 2/12/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
PSR,
What you're describing is what I'm (almost) doing. It sounds like I almost have it nailed. I'll try the back foot presses/releases and face forward more. I naturally front foot steer except when carving then I apply pressure with both feet. I'm going to have to analyze my style somemore and then factor in my biomechanical problems. I'm gonna nail this. It took me two years to learn to 360, I guess I can learn to pump! I just bought some 400 speed film for another project I'll have my daughter play photographer.
I gotta go. My 12 year old is at a St. Val dance at the church and needs to be picked up.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
Skate liber vel moritus!
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"pump" board
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On 2/12/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
Jack, I had the use of a Summit Sidewinder a few years back, to play with and 'dial in' for a friend. It featured a huge Cambered section, just aft of center, and ideally placed under the rear foot. It had a very deep flex, but had a fairly stiff nose that was widest just ahead of the board's middle. I could easily get this board up to speed by pumping using primarily the rear foot, not all the much different of a move than what I use to float turns in powder with a swallowtail snowboard. Basically, I divied up the tasks between feet, using the front to steer(lean,toe/heel), and the rear foot did little leaning,but worked the camber by quick pressure down, with quick 'releases' of the camber's springiness. The result was that small uphill grades were just slightly slower sections in the road. The issue in terms of control, heading downhill, was in bending the board early, and 'squeezing' the release of the camber in the last half of a turn. I found that rear-wheel traction was the limiting factor in controlling descent speed, and once they broke loose, the flex actually made keep the wheels underfoot tough. 'Bounce-Chatter' would set in, bucking me as the wheels slid.
Using a bit of torso 'angulation' and twist (countered rotation early, as to anticipate the camber's tendency to 'unload' energy quickly) let me steer deeper while working the pump timing.
My lead shoulder lifts and also turns to 'face the turn' in heelside turns as the heel of the rear foot drives the pump.
The rear shoulder lifts, and I let the elbow drive forward as I pump through the toeside turn, and I'm almost on tip-toe midway through the turn.
There's a cadence to this, and it's important to try to keep the shoulders more-or-less facing the direction of travel, and using only as much torso-to-hip twist as your back and/or personal level of flexibility can deal with. Twist too far, and you're out of sync very quickly. Equally important is the quickness of the pressure the rear foot applies; slower pressure yeilds slower acceleration; Quick release often means you're upping the tempo of the transition from one turn to the next. Remember to lead the steering with front foot, especially on inclines or in speed control situations. (Funny thing that,Turning Early is the key to both decelerating turns, and Racing turns).
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How to Pump