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Yo Neil
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On 3/1/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(208.20.nnn.nnn)
Any good skating around the Harrogate / Shipton area? There's a good chance I may end up over there for a couple of years.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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RE: Neil's Pumping
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On 3/1/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(208.20.nnn.nnn)
Neil,
Taht FF Pinner should pump great. Experiment with your wheelbase. It'll mean drilling your board a few times to get it right. Drill slow and de-burr your holes so don't mar the finish on that fine deck. I know exactly what you mean by the dissapation. I get it too. With me its biomechanical and style related. Once I get in the groove, get the right rythym, I can pump. Keeping it up is another thing. Fortitude my man. Keep trying. Remember the Cub Scout motto, "Do your best."
Peters,
I just finished a very retro homebuilt last night. 46" x 10" x 3/4" Baltic Birch plywood blank from Innovative Plastics. Brand new Lotus 3's from Rob in NH mounted to 5" Independents Top of deck to bottom of wheel ~4". It looks a lot like the cruiser I rode in 1978. I can't wait to get this "Panzer" out on a hill. With my weight (250 lbs) it flexes just right for me. I might even be able to pump this behemoth once I get some momentum up.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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Pumpin' the fibreflex
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On 3/1/2005 Neil
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(217.154.nnn.nnn)
The dissipation in forward motion is something i cant quite work out even while its happening. The trucks dont feel mushy and if you mean by overextending the deck, my rail to rail motion i would say that i dont; my pump from side to side is fairly tight. I know i can keep speed and even accelerate on a slight decline but definitely slow down on a flat. I have tried various decks and truck set ups, inc. a Pocket Pistol a Fibreflex Mallard and an Insect but have the same result on all. I think it must come down to me not having rhythm. But it drives me nuts that i can't get it especially when i see guys around Brighton shooting around like bullits on the sea front
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neil
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On 3/1/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
hey Neil your fibreflex should pump great assuming its a springy flex for your weight, I'd make the 150's kinda loose, and drill new holes to bring the front trucks back an inch or so, a little extra room for foot placement over the nose -- but I noseride a lot, and many people prefer staying planted behind the front truck... After this, just keep trying out all your friends' decks! ;-)
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Pumpin'
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On 3/1/2005
PaulW
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.19.nnn.nnn)
Got to throw in my four penn'rth here. I've only ever found pumping a short board to be easy (by short I mean FF Mallard drilled out to a longer wheelbase). Funny thing, I had a FF pintail 38 but never set it up properly, once I set up the Mallard - the shorter, springier deck seemed to be everything I needed for constant rotation (which is how I visualise the pump -as a rotation through/across the trucks). Aside from that, my feet would get lost on the pintail; it's a lovely board but wasn't for me.
I think I can understand where you're getting energy dissipation, but can't quite finger the "why". I'd be interested in how this loss of energy manifests itself... mushiness from the trucks? overextension of the deck? Tell us more!
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RE: Wheel Basic
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On 3/1/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
jack's right - years ago, I jumped from a 27" wheelbase up to a 60" flexdex with 41" wheelbase. That really pushed the bounds of efficiency, but once you built up fast momentum on those tankers it was a whole new kind of pump. Think about that long carvy downhill feel you get from a flexy longboard of that size, then translate it into a flatland pump -- those are some LOW gears. But not all tankers are equal...my S9 (Nosewalker - 56") never worked for me either Jack, due to lack of flex.
after wearing through several of those big guns (my buddy derek finally snapped one - he weighs about 20lbs more than me) I've been moving toward a 32"-36" wheelbase Insect (www.insectskateboards.com), which seems like a sweet spot for all-around long distance pumping. Also switching from 11-ply birch to glass/carbon-fiber/birch composites gives a lotta more life and pop to the deck.
For shorter rides like a mile or less, if I'm really going for speed I might still drop back down to 25"-30" wheelbase range. For TS I even ride a Roe Bottle Rocket and Crossfire which are only 19"!! -cheers
peters
pavedwave.com
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pumping a pintail
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On 3/1/2005 Neil
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(217.154.nnn.nnn)
I've been trying this pumping for about a year and sometimes feel like i've got it and then the speed goes and i begin to slow. I have a few boards but the one i like best is the FibreFlex 38inch pin tail. Its fitted with Randall 150's and they are spaced on the furthest apart mounting holes. I weigh approx. 160lbs. Should i be able to pump easy on this deck and this set-up?
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RE: Wheel basic
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On 2/28/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
Hey Tom,
Peters is the one that likes pumping a long wheelbase, my two pumping boards are a 34" and a 38" CY. The 38" is a prototype and is not in production yet. I shortened the wheelbase on the 34" by one full truck length to get the response I wanted. I reckon w/o a tapemeasure its around 27" wheelbase now. Pumps nice. The 38" seems to have a 33" wheelbase and is a sweetheart. I can't put my finger on what it is yet. Maybe its honeymoon goggles. I like a shorter board for pumping. I have a 46" S9 I can't pump to save my life. I'm getting a Bahne Black Hill and a Comet Rocket pretty soon. Those ought'a be interesting rides. I'm learningto skog at this time. I'll get it too someday when I quit busting my ass and rolling my ankles. I aint easy but I bet it'll be satisfying when (if?) I learn it.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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Wheel basic
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On 2/28/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Thanks peters, Jack. Its a bit of a surprise to me to hear you mention such long wheelbases (I thought 32" was getting too long for any real pumping...who knew?), but I'm starting to see the light...My quiver has grown like a rabbit farm as well...up to 5 now with 3 more in production...He who dies with the most toys wins!
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YO Tom T.
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On 2/28/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
cYa's website is http://chrisyandall.com/
Peters is quite right. There is no one size fits all deck. Whether it be for pumping or any of the other disciplines in skateboarding. The best board is the one you feel most comfortable with. My quiver is growing in leaps. I have seven boards I've bought in the last 3 months and two on the bench. One is in the last phases of finishing and the other is being readied for the first cuts. I like my CYs just about the best because FOR ME they work well for not only pumping but for anything other skating I may be doing. My current project is learning to skog.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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pumping wheelbases prefs
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On 2/27/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Hey Tom - for long distance, long stride flatland pumps, I'd stick with 32" to 41" -- that extra wheelbase gives you a pump you can actually maintain for miles without cookin' your legs/abs too fast.
Between 25"-32" -- great on fast downhill pumps and most of the short boardwalk pumping + pushing stuff you see here.
On short distance, fast pumps (racing, sprinting, acceleration) TS or GS -- majority of the slalom market -- 25" and under.
Try a lotta decks out and see what works for you. We just had an amazing day of slalom up here in the SUN (at least until tomorrow) and I tried out about 10 different decks, most of them high-performance like Roe, Chicken, and Insect, a refactored Fiberflex, Bahne, and even a chopped-down Sector9 (thanks Stryker for bringing only a fraction of your collection!!) They all offer different pumps entirely - and these were just for hybrid slalom. There ain't no one-size-fits-all deck, that's for sure!
cheers - peters
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wheelbases
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On 2/27/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Hey guys,
Just wondering what your preferred wheelbase is for pumping...25"? less? MORE?
Also, can anyone give me the web address for this new CYandall pumping phenomenon?
Thanks,
Tom T
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38" CY Prototype
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On 2/26/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
I've spent the last evening preparing my CY for its maiden voyage. I custom gripped it last night with a good luck dragon cutout. This past evening I airbrushed the same good luck dragon on the bottom of the deck. Around 1 AM I went for my first ride on this beauty. Its 34'F outside, there's a beautiful full moon playing tag with a partly cloudy sky. As soon as I stepped aboard the CY38 I knew I was on something special. This board pumps with very little effort. The flex in this deck is fantastic. Pushing and pumping this board is, for lack of a better term, a natural feeling, nearly effortless. This board wants to pump.
Congrats again to S-in-A. Have fun with Race. You'll love this deck. As you've taken the name of YAYA for your deck I hereby name my deck BOO-YA.
CYa. Flexes beautifully, pumps easily, a comfortable ride so far. Waiting on Gumballs and Originals. Rode it w/ Randal 2 - 180's and 70mm78A (-balls. A terrific ride. Tried skogging w/ it and angered my tailbone again. I'll keep it up til I get it.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
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Got mine...
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On 2/25/2005
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
(68.239.nnn.nnn)
Swapped my 36" 3DM for a CYA Wreck Cruiser.
Set it up with 8mm axled/135mm hanger Randals with steep baseplates, a little wedge front, and little dewedge rear, PT ceramics, and Grippins. I tried it with Gumballs, but it was super tall then. The Grippins are a nice compromise, but I'll try some 73mm Flywheels too.
I've ridden it around the neighborhood 'til it snowed a couple days ago, and look forward to using it on a big open GS course at the next DC Outlaw slalom / DCDC downhill thing next week.
It's a little bit higher camber than I've been riding, but I'm interested to see how it works as an allarounder. I've found the past 3 years I most often grab a 38" FibreFlex pintail (with the aforementioned shortened 8mm Randals) but always wished it was a bit stiffer and that I could generate a bit more power with it. Anyway, it was looking pretty manky, and setting up the CY allowed me to degrip and desticker the FF, sand and urethane the filthy scuffed up edges, and rebuild it with some different stuff. I'm thinking a lightened 127 TTC in the back, and a 127 RTX in the front, both with spherical pivots. Gumballs or small Flywheels...
Anyway. The CY WC is a fine deck. Nice shape, well made, rides great, pumps very well, and I suspect it'll kill for GS on a big hill.
And it's nice seeing Chris posting here. I used to commute on a Hester back when I was in high school, pumping and jogging all the way. I read "Cut the jive and jog" in Skateboarder and wondered why it had never occurred to me to push with my OTHER leg before.
I've been trying it again, seeing as mostly I ride slalom, I push mongo, and sometimes it would be convenient to push the way all those other guys do. Skogging will get that happening for you.
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Congratz Steve!
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On 2/25/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Dude, my 2nd(of 3) child just turned 18 today :D
and my son, justin will be turning 15 in June. my oldest daughter is 25 and a gonzo snowboarder living in denver working as a bartender in the cherry creek area and skates the parks near downtown. the kids add a spice of life to your skating when they start skating too. My oldest daughter skates to stay in shape for snowboarding and my son is chasing skating stardom as millions of kids around the nation have also...and they've all taken to this sport only 30 years in age since the urethane and casted truck birth back in the mid 70's (um.. right around my hayday). i knew it would be mainstream someday and I bet your new addition to the family may gravitate to daddy's skating antics. Let's hope so!
Glad you got your board and your baby around the same time :D That means something.. eh?
It means sleepless nights coming soon along with crappy stinky diapers, constant crying and that miracle of holding that precious life form and giving it the same love you might show for the new deck I just sent you. :D
cheers mate and congratz to you and the wife!!!!
sweet skating dreams and stuff ...
cYa
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Stupid HTML.
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On 2/25/2005 New Dad
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
Here are the missing parts of that text:
Got my 38" Yaya (I like this name for my new pumping deck!) yesterday. Thanks, CY! It's gonna be a while until I can grip & rip it. I still have to get my trucks back from Geezer (hear that, Eric??!!), and I'll be busy with some other stuff as well:
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Got the deck, CYa...and MORE!
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On 2/25/2005
Steve "New Dad" in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
Got my 38" YaYa (
Richard "Race" Radcliffe Michael
Born 5:40 PM MST, Thursday February 24, 2005
Good Samaritan Hospital, Phoenix Arizona
6 lbs 8 oz, 19.5" wheelbase, no griptape
Laura, Race and I are doing fine but we're dog tired.
We'll get to all the phone calls, e-mails & NCDSA posts
soon, but it may be a few days.
Thanks to everyone around the world on NCDSA and Slalomskateboarder.com for the good wishes, thoughts & prayers. Laura, Race and I really appreciate how kind you've all been.
Must sleep...
-=S&L...&R=-
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Huzzah :D
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On 2/23/2005
cYa
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Stoked you got it! Man I was worried but the shipping department that owes me plenty got busy ??? (excuses) Steve's board should arrive tomorrow. It went out one day later.
If you think this board is a 34" on steroids, the board at my airbrushers is
x 100 with a wider tail.
just a 7ply cambered/concave economical feel for perhaps a composite design in the works somewhere :D
Gimme some feedback and remember, this is one design I may keep forever as part of my quiver of designs.
I'm diggin this arena to sport my planetary droppings on what I think rocks my world at pumpin' at 50.
God Rides a snappin deck!
cheers and hugz
Chris Yandall
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CY 38" Wreckreational Prototype
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On 2/23/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
The CY 38" prototype arrived today.HUZZAH! All I have to say is SWEET. This board looks like a 34" on steroids. 38" x 9" concave and cambered, drilled at the extreme ends of the board. I'll let CYa give you folks more specifics. Nice rebound just standing on the board w/o trucks/wheels and pumping it to the floor. I am still gathering the parts and such for testing and evaluation. Thanks CYa. I'm going to ride this every which way. Per your request emphasis will be placed on learning to skog.
Cheers,
Jack in Boraurora
God rides a longboard.
Skate liber vel moritus!
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peters
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On 2/22/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the reply. I doubted at first, simply because I've never seen them FROM THE FRONT!! Glad to hear they're so good for pumping...my world revolves around the quest for the perfect pumping set-up...Guess I'll give 'em a go!
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pumpin' originals
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On 2/20/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Tom, we just pumped 16.8 miles today (six laps) around greenlake on those trucks you see in CW, they're Originals as far as I can tell. I resurrected my Original Super Carve (47"x9" - 9-ply) which I reserved for carving hills, and tested it all day on the flats. Turns out its a sweet pumping deck/truck combo as well! -peters
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Help!
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On 2/20/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Guys, Please help! Concrete Wave Vol 3 No 3 (Holidays 2004) "24 Hours In Down South" pp 68-69. The guy in the low crouch, 2nd from the left... What the heck kind of trucks ARE those???
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RE: Jumpin Jack Slalom Decks
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On 2/15/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(208.20.nnn.nnn)
cYa,
It was a thought. The only short boards I was ever any good on were fiberflexs. I was never in the class of the contemporary crowd, Hacket, Brown Bomber, Chicken etc. I just like to skate for fun and go fast. I'm always up for something new and I get passionate about products I like that work for me and the good folks who design them. I'm a CY convert. I only ride something that I feel comfortable and safe on and I only deal with folks I feel I can trust. It was just a thought, you go where your heart leads.
I can't wait to get wheels on the 38" and go to work. First the snow must melt. Pumping and skogging rock.
BTW, I left my phone numbers in one of the emails I sent you, home and cell. :-)
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard!
Skate liber vel moritus.
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Jumpin Jack Slalom Decks
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On 2/15/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(63.196.nnn.nnn)
I think a 7 ply racing deck would rock. 34" stiff concave/cambered is almost as good as a flat deck, eh? I'm obvioulsy not on top of the downhill racing stuff but I can say this, the contemporary crowd, Hacket, Brown Bomber, Chicken etc ... are kickin ass thru the downhill cones on flat/stiff short boards. I was at the last downhill pumphouse race in poway and got a nice peek at what the guys are riding and their techniques. It's a hellofa discipline flirting with optimum turning speeds on the brink of missing cones all the way down. I was jazzed to see the superhuman feats! This aint no disco! No foolin around :D ! I dont know if I could integrate a design since I need to get out there and see if I'm worth a damn :D so I could intelligently design something seaworthy.
I'm still looking to develop recreational pump/skog decks designs and that's pretty much where my heart is. I just need bucks to fire up all this stuff. It appears to be in the stars and I'm pursuing what I can do with what I got.
BTW, you guys needs to leave your phone numbers with your orders. My shipper is bitchin. I got yours from 411 but Steve, y0. email me your phone number ASAP.
Your boards are going out today. Steve's may get delayed until phone number appears.
Thanks again and enjoy! I killed 2 of those boards so far from pumpin' the crapola out of 'em. :D You guys will be getting some fresh snapper! So go out there and RIP 'EM UP BRO'S!
hugz
cYa
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RE: My Pumpin' Decks
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On 2/14/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(4.227.nnn.nnn)
WOOOOOOO! HOOOOOOO! A CY 38 to test to my hearts content! I am so stoked! I went out on sunday and scouted some sweet spots for Longboardmaps.com, I found five, 3 of which are right outside my office window. I gotta post those soon. A cloudy, cool San Diego day... I miss The Strand in the South Bay... (heavy sigh). CY, the 34" is a carving machine w/ Gumballs and Randal 2 150's. The only thing better is having the local high school cheerleading squad over. Half of them relaying racing beers for me and the other half peeling grapes. Damn it was great day! Cheetos and clamjuice for all friends!
CY, I was running some cones yesterday. Trying to get this old bod to remember what to do and it hit me... an epiphany... like a drunk having a moment of clarity, after your done with the 38" you should design a new slalom deck. Something that's sexy fast, with a good forward high snappy camber, generous wheel cuts and about four rear truck settings so a rider can dial in the ride they want. Man I KNOW that would not only sell but with the right trucks and wheels it would be a winner. What do you think?
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
Gode rides a longboard.
Skate liber vel moritus!
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