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Pump commute
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On 5/5/2005
Luke
wrote in from
United States
(128.193.nnn.nnn)
jp--a 12 mile pump commute to work? That sounds pretty insane! I hope they have showers at your work =)
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pump push pusmhp pumshp
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On 5/5/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Hey Cya - don't read too much into it! When I say 'go for the distance' to Jack I only meant to take time recovering, not jump in and get hurt. I dig sprints as well, for me that means tight slalom (which I do for the event of it more than anything) and it also means picking up a sprinting pace when your bro decides he's gonna try to pass you on the trail.
To each their own is exactly right. Note I'm not rippin on one or the other, or calling someone else's gig boring. I even push with both legs sometimes on my standard 12-mile commute just to see how close I can get my "pump-only" commutes up to the same speed.
I've gotten my 65-minute pump-only commute down to about 59 minutes by pushing the tough spots. So with that small a difference in mph I generally prefer the stoke of just staying on the board and working on the efficiencies. Yeah, my preference is to ride distance -- and to balance that out when you're pumping, all you gotta do is switch stance!
cheers - jp
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skogging and pumping technique questions
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On 5/5/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Hey guys thanks for your enthusiastic comments about going the distance.
Right now when I'm skogging I kick regular on the right side and when I switch to the left I kick mongo. I am used to kicking mongo from switching back and forth when kicking back up downhill runs (doing these runs over and over gets a bit boring too Chris!)
So my question is, do you switch back and forth with the left foot on the front of the board and then your right foot on the front of the board or is it ok to go from regular to mongo like I've been doing?
As well, when you go switch pumping, I take it you hit the technique using your less dominant stance? That seems like a good idea for keeping the body balanced. I am going to try that next time I'm out.....later today.
As well, I appreciate the truck suggestions as now I am seriously thinking of trying something other than my Randal 180's and Indy 215's. It is hard to get trucks different from those here in Vancouver, all the same, I am getting to be pumping/skogging convert and will tune my gear in accordingly. Please keep your truck suggestions and comments coming.
Thanks
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Pumping/Skogging
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On 5/5/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(63.196.nnn.nnn)
jp sez: Jack -- great to have you back! Can't wait to see your custom deck. Hope you're up on board again soon, go for the distance, not the sprint ;-)
To each their own exercise. Pumping long distances for me is like making the same snowboarding turn all day.(boring) Excess use of oneside of the body. I like to mix it up with a crossover-pump which came naturally for me after years of skogging. The nice thing about skogging is that it can resemble a bump skiier looking down the fall line and working evenly off both sides of the body for each ripping turn. This provides a nice balanced stance to switch.
Sprints of 4-6 km rock. :-D Even 10 km. But that I guess is too short for some . Bottom line is get your butt up and do it!
Cheers
Chris Yandall
p.s. Jack, get your ass up off the floor! I'm bringing the camera so you'll be in a post here soon.
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long distance pumping's where its at!!
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On 5/4/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
right on airin! whats revolutionized long distance pumping setups recently for me are the new Carver trucks (CXs), on medium-long (38-45") decks with a slight stiff camber -- effortless! Learned a lot pumping 5-foot decks for a few years and finding their unique efficiencies with those deep grooves... (I bought a pallet of Pro60's from Flexdex when they closed shop) -- one definate preference, I would stick to 150s over the 180s. Other trucks that have worked well for L.D.P. are Originals (6" hangar) and Seismics.
Lately I've been riding the shorter composites and really dig the POP out of Insect and Roe decks. That's cool you got some customs...Larry's done some smooth working of camber into 5-foot decks that you don't see on many other decks of that length.
Above all - the best thing is seeing a lot more other like-minded surfers like yourself out on the trails -- a few years ago when pumping like crazy up inclines, people walking by stopped, silently bewildered, figuring out there was no pushing going on -- but now they jump straight into questions for info on how and where to get set up! Educate and emancipate - I think you're gonna see a lot more long distance trail surfers in the years to come...
Jack -- great to have you back! Can't wait to see your custom deck. Hope you're up on board again soon, go for the distance, not the sprint ;-)
jp
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A whole new experience in skating!
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On 5/4/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(154.20.nnn.nnn)
Hey Chris, thanks for your message. I just got back from another awesome sesh of pumping and skogging on my 60 inch cruiser!
The board is set up with R 2's, flipped hangers, and 78a Gumballs. Perhaps not the ideal set up for pumping but the board really rocks when I start to groove into a nice long pump.
In the past I tried to learn to pump on my Landy DH but maybe because of the low rider design....not being able to get over the front truck....whatever, I just couldn't get much happening. The cruiser although longer and with wider trucks than optimal taught me to pump. And now I am so stoked! I love this new aspect of skateboarding! The workout potential is great and the low risk factor of this kind of skating compared to downhill is very attractive. (Geezerettes like me don't have time to waste healing skate injuries!)
I am awaiting a new 45 inch city surfer board that LongBoardLarry is building for me. This board, like the cruiser, will have the appropriate flex for my light weight. Flex was another factor that I think helped me learn how to pump. As you said, even stiff boards can be pumped but for learning the technique I found the flex really helped. It is hard if you are a light rider to find a flexy enough board off the manufacture's shelves. Hence, I am hooked on custom boards and sold on Larry as my builder.
The new board will be set up with split duro Grippins which should kick butt for pumping. I had planned to use a set of Indy 215's on the board as this is a familiar width due to my downhilling experience. But now I am thinking that something more narrow would be more suitable for pumping. You slalom specialists find it so comfortable to be on narrow trucks but for me even 150 Randals seem almost tippy in some situations. So the transition to narrower trucks will likely be a gradual one for me. Any suggestions as to what might work better than the Indy's on this upcoming board? I plan to use the board as a cruiser around town in situations and locations where the 60 inch board would prove to be unweildy.
All in all, I am having a blast with my newly developing skill of pumping and with some skogging thrown in as well. It is as if I am discovering a whole new sport and I am stoked. Can't wait till tomorrow....pumping, cruising, skogging....lets go.......wahoooo!!!!
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Life's been Good So far For Me
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On 5/4/2005
cYa
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Hey Airin,
You can basically pump any board length with varying degress of flex as well as total stiffness. I prefer just under 40" because of the weight and less turning resistance. I would hazard a guess that the further your wheels are apart for turns, the more drag you may encounter after a certain length considering wheel sizes, truck widths etc. But all in all the most fun is certainly finding your sweet spot with any deck that makes you happy.
The disciplined racers thrive on acceleration ad deacceleration thru weighting and unweighting transitioning from turn to turn. It's a mystery how some of these guys can slice thru outrageous turns at high speeds and maintain their poise while being on the near brink of losing their lines.
As for the geriatric crowd, seeing is believeing.
Here's me last year cranking some turns in mission beach. I love that stretch of cement.
i imagine pumping around 10-12 miles per hour is great heart conditioning :D
Enjoy!
Chris Yandall
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Jack and BorAurora
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On 5/4/2005
cYa
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Y0 Jack
I'll be in Denver on the 13th for business, pleasure, family visit and best of all, A-basin!!! I miss that place. You know the wind never blows at A-Basin, it suuuuuuuhhhhhkkkkkkkkssssss!~ and Oh Yea! I owe ya a FREE SKOGGING LESSON.
Looking forward to pumping up a storm too.
cheers
Chris Yandall
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pumping/skogging/ cruising geezergal
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On 5/3/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Hey fun to read this forum! I started downhill carving a couple of years ago at the age of 48. It has been fun to carve my Landy DH board and to learn to slide so that I could reliably stop when needed.
Then, a few months ago I discovered cruising and skogging when I implusively grabbed up a pintail board while on my way to walk the dog. What fun he and I had. When the pace was too fast for the little 11 lb Spitz I would scoop him up and we off we would whiz. During our slower stretches I started to experiment with pumping. To my delight and surprise I was able to propell myself forward on my 48 inch board.
Next I had LongboardLarry make me a 60 inch cruising board and to my further surprise this board was pumpable as well. I have to feel my way into the 'groove' with this big boy but when I find it the cruiser just seems to want to go on forever.
When I think about the technique I use I'm not sure I am weighting and unweighting and gryrating but whatever I am doing it is working to keep me moving!
So on the eve on my 50th birthday I am finding a new love in flatland skateboarding. Cruising, skogging, pumping, gliding....its all a hill of fun and without the danger and risk associated with speedboarding and high speed carving.
Good to meet you all here on this forum.
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RE: deehotches
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On 5/1/2005
Jacj in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
SC,
Never skated that one... Trying to picture where that would pass under the 110... That would be N of Sepulveda... Nope that's new one on me and I grew up in the area and thought I knew them all. Good find.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
Peters,
As soon as I figure out this new fangled digital camera I'll upload those pics you want to see.
J in A
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Welcome back Jack
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On 4/30/2005 tomt
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Hey man, congrats on your convalescence. I rolled my ankle really hard last week and its painful as hell. Can't imagine what you been through. Skate easy, bro.
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Jack
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On 4/22/2005
Tod
wrote in from
United States
(12.148.nnn.nnn)
No cheating!!! Just do what the doc,(and your wife) say and you'll be back in no time!
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deehotches
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On 4/22/2005
sc
wrote in from
United States
(68.4.nnn.nnn)
hey Jack, good to see you back
found another ditch north of the other one with the same steep banks and nasty tranny ... 228th & south, crossing under the freeway
ever skate that one?
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Getting better
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On 4/22/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
Hey Guys,
I'm finally out of the brace and the bones have knitted nicely. I'm learning how to use my arm again. I started feeding myself and driving short distances this week. I'm still out of work on disability. The wife say no skating til I'm working again. I sure miss it.
Peters: I'll post pics of the homebuilt this weekend sometime.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
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Flexi Pumpers
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On 4/16/2005 Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
Hehe...
I miss my KSlater 40in "feet" deck, but I still have my 41" Wingnut with 139mm Axis/Dart combo and HyperRollo 65mm Reds. I've got both trucks mounted flat, and I can pump it pretty good at speed or even a little slower. Loose or soft bushings (especially on the front truck) is the key.
I'd also recommend a mild de-wedging the rear truck. With all of that flex, a real hard pump in the center of the board makes the rear truck that much more squirrely...but keep the front truck flat.
Higher speeds and wider pumps: center of deck in caving-type pumps.
To get up to speed: quicker pumps with the rear foot closer to or right on top of that rear truck.
-=S=-
ps...I got all of my Randal hangers back from G-X, so I'm gonna build up that YaYa 38" next weekend!
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board type
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On 4/15/2005
patrick
wrote in from
United States
(69.142.nnn.nnn)
i ride a flexdex 41 and wonder if anyone has experience pumping a fliberglass board and if so throw out some tips
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gesmer on pumping
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On 4/11/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
hey wilson, here's a link to dan gesmer's article on pumping... good place to get started -
http://www.grassrootsslalom.homestead.com/files/html/howto_pump.htm
Also, PSR just posted some great stuff from Gilmour on the 'freecarving' forum.
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pumping
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On 4/10/2005 Wilson
wrote in from
United States
(24.126.nnn.nnn)
Hello, i just got ino crusin and i want to lean how to pump. i have a flexi pintail and i want to know what are some good pumpin techniques. Steps or intructons would be nice, PLEASE HELP!
Desperatly
Wilson
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www.motionlongboards.com
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On 4/8/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Hi guys,
Just my two cents...Motion is a canadian company making KILLER decks. Glass, v-lam maple and carbon(optional). These boards are super-responsive and carve like you did in that dream you had last night...all alone on a sundrenched mountain road that just kept going, and going, and going...
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wedges to 'build' concave
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On 4/5/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Wedges are a great solution to the whole "shaping-concave into a flat high-tech deck" conundrum. I started using something like the Pocket Pistols wedges for more aggressive pumping -- when it was wet out a few times and trying to pump up an incline, I noticed just how much my toes wanted to slide forward off the nose of the deck! The wedges work.
JACK -- I JUST noticed your 3/1 post about the custom "Panzer" 46" homebuilt retro deck... how's it riding? - would like to see pics of that urban assault longboard!
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Insect GS or cutaway ...
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On 4/5/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
lonerider, I'd agree that Insect & Roe creates a great product for the pumping arena - you might even consider the 'Big Bug' for a scaled-up version of the Dragonfly which opens up some bigger/longer pumping options...
With all-wood decks, the 'memory' of the deck may be shorter as the wood breaks down over time, but they do tend to have a butter-smooth, responsive ride and much easier to work concave into it. I like subsonicskateboards.com for wood, they've always been innovative with increasing attention to performance.
In the end PSR is right that pumping deck talks boil down to experiential likes/dislikes - I've posted mine up on the "GEAR" page of pavedwave.com if you want to look! So many new decks to test out- just keep coming out each year, ain't life great?!
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Loaded for pumping
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On 4/5/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
I agree that Loaded makes pumpable boards, but they're lacking in that 'pop' in thrust when compared with some boards. Oak is 'stretchy' by nature when compared to Maple, Rock Maple, or Hickory (think old wood skis).The Concave is crucial here, as is using vertical laminated hardwood. But, I think Loaded boards are not as efficient in generating thrust as some companies I've mentioned. Deplo, once in the day, had good 'pump' boards out there (I hope they're still around, haven't heard much for awhile)) using just good ol' hardwood in a nice, cambered shape. Summit has it down, but is hard to source stateside, and tends towards 'skinny' shapes. Insect seems to be spot-on, and I can vouch for how well Vlad ran one UP the hill at the G-4 round-about race. He made that hill look flat when Pumped up it, on an Insect. Again, it's a personal descision, one best made by how the feet feel. I'm just trying to describe a few of the characteristics I've noted in board shape and design.
Oh,Concave.. How many 'pumpers' used toeblocks on the front to enhance your thrust on flats? Pocket Pistols has foam wedge kits (highly recommended,btw) to create concave on flat decks. I use the sticky-back toe-risers from Burton/RED (often t-nutted in place,once I know where to park 'em) that would otherwise fit along the toes of snowboard bindings for rider's with large/XL feet. These are 'Nike-Swoosh' shaped high-density foam, about 5/8" high, with 3M stickyback stuff on them, and sell for,um,+-$5 a pair. Once fitted to your deck, they greatly enhance front foot placement and thrust control, without adding a sharp or metallic thingie sticking up off of the board. Use these with the Pocket pistol foam kits, and you can tailor-fit the contours of your ride to your feet. As Claude would say, it gives "many happy pumps".
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pumping boards
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On 4/5/2005
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(129.133.nnn.nnn)
I find that Concave is very advantageous on a pumping deck (really give you that extra leverage in the turns which facilitates the gyrating pumping motion)
The loaded pin looks like an awesome board (my bro has the fish and his buddy has the vanguard) and a perfect size for pumping
I personally find the key to pumping to be loose trucks. I think that even the vanguard could be used as a pumping board if you set it up with the right bushings (there's a vid on the loaded site of some guy pumping his vanguard and pushing a stroller down a bike path that looks pretty flat and he's getting some nice speed)
Julien
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Which deck for pumping?
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On 4/5/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
Lonerider, awhile back I had made note of the constructions of various 'flexy' boards, and Insect/Roe (not the same thing,but same people involved) was very much near the top of my list for both quality and choice of materials. The Loaded boards are great, well made, and have great memory in the materials. However, there isn't that 'snap' or quick rebound, that creates good thrust. Mr Yandall has wisely chosen to 'sculpt' camber and concave into 'mere' wood, giving what appears to be a consistent flex that has both good memory, but also decent acceleration. No mean feat,that. Insect, Pumpkin, (old Fibreflexes too!), Indiana, all use Glass and wood and narrow-tailed shapes that bend smoothly into being uncambered, but 'pop' back into their cambered state. This is where pumping speed is generated. Adding Carbon to the board can add 'pop', but can also create a 'dampened' effect where vibration gets nullified. Too much, or placed wrong, and the deck becomes 'damp', not very responsive in returning to shape. Comet's Scramjet might have it figured, but I can't say, as my only ride on one was a purely defensive descent, not a 'pump' session.
So, is all wood good enough? Shaped right, with selected woods that rebound quickly, yes. Is Fiberglass needed? No, but it does help in most cases, especially when applied in the outer skins of the plys. Does Carbon Fiber work well to enhance flex? Yes, if used in moderation, and 'strung' tight enough to add tension, not set 'loose' where it can absorb vibration.
I note all this stuff because there's some cool takes on how to make a board flex well, and how to build a cambered board that carves well. What you pick, in shape, size, make, is in my opinion too personal a choice for me to suggest. You gotta let your feet decide...
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Insect GS or Cutaway vs Loaded Fish or Pintail
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On 4/5/2005
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the the which board in the list above would be better for pumping. I own a Loaded Vanguard Flex 4 with R2-180s and I really like it for mellow carving on low/medium grade hill. However, I am looking for a board to complement it that I can pump continuously on flat parking lots and such. I've ridden a carbon fiber Insect Dragonfly and a Dragonfly medium built for my friend who is 15 lbs heavier than me any both of those were *stiff* decks... too stiff for me... butI know I can get the board made softer if I ask. So I'm kind of torn... I really like my Loaded board, but at the same time I'm interested in checking out other manufacturers, also interested in seeing what other trucks like Seimics or Trackers are like (the Dragonfly I rode had seismics, but I didn't get a good feel for it). So I wondering if anyone has any of the listed decks as their main pumping board and could comment. Thanks.
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How to Pump