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On 12/27/2005
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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Way to go Chris!
and
thanks Adam!
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Venturi.
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On 12/27/2005
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Nice to see you lot at it,
the weather here has gone from damp,
to snow and severe weather warnings,
so i wont be posting any times soon!
Peters that thing looks sick, nice one.
Munchh.
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trapping
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On 12/26/2005
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Those are very interesting times and observations James.
I can't wait to collect some times on various set ups. (The only reliable parking garage we have available is a midnight'er....secruity frowns on skaters ripping around in there during the day time or early evening. So needless to say this ol'gal hasn't been parkading it much lately. )
The DH I run with 180 R2's and 83 mm flywheels is actually not much heavier than your LBL pumping board, James, as this prototype speedboard has only 6 layers of maple and then a layer of carbon fibre on the bottom. A lowered board that is lightweight is just so easy to push but I still think gumballs would be faster than flys regardless of the deck. And I continue to think that pumping will be faster than pushing when all is said and done.
I can't wait to test out some of these theories..... I watch by the hour for dry pavement.....
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pump v push times
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On 12/26/2005 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
A friend and I have been clocking the trap the last couple days, a lot more experimentation needed! After stopwatching 10+ runs manually, the range of numbers narrows down, but a timing system will be a must eventually. And yep Erin, the first thing to test will be smaller wheelsize on both pushing and pumping setups. Now I'm curious if the extra weight and momentum of the Landy DH will help or hinder... The RAIN is making this garage sprinting/timing a decent tradeoff - but can't wait to get out and just freeride some dry trails again!
JS pushing - 16.9 mph (7.1sec), lightweight drop deck, w/Exkate wheels.
JP pushing - 16.2 mph (7.4sec), rollsrolls w/Randal 150s and 101s.
JP pumping - 14.8 mph (8.1sec), LBL w/CarverCX's and 75mm Avilas.
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rollsrolls + venturi
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On 12/25/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
So far I'm only doing the 176 footer, so I haven't figured how switching push feet adds speed in that short a distance. I'm able to map out just enough distance to reach max push speed, mark that point as starting line -- then measure out 176 feet -- and make sure to have the same distance on the other end to run it both directions (average both directions to ensure "flat" course time.) Since the start is unlimited -- as long as it is FLAT -- I find the big wheels work well. When the start is restricted to 15 feet as in Cyberslalom, I see more reason to keep the wheels smaller and start-speed faster.
The Rolls plank is narrow (7 3/4") rather than wide, but RollsRolls' newest little brother called the Venturi is WIDER, with concave. I thought the essence of skogging was alternative foot pushing (??) rather than pumping anyway, so seems the most important factor for "push" is a low center of gravity with less regard for the deck width. Anyway here's the link to Peter's new invention:
www_silverfishlongboarding_com/article.php?story=20051220212717333&mode=print
Erin, any vacant parking garages in town? They're great for this trap and cyber stuff when the weathers nasty. It's the only thing keepin' us sane right now!
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skogging decks
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On 12/25/2005
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Hey Chris, I can imagine what you mean by wanting not too wide a deck so that you can easily and comfortably get into position to generate the most power when skogging. So definitely a wider deck may be a handicap when skogging for long distances.
I wondered what you thought about a lower deck for skogging? The deck would need to be light not some great heavy 11 ply maple speedboard. There aren't many decks out there that come close to what I am picturing....in fact maybe none at the moment. But I am thinking of something relatively short like maybe 36 - 40 inches and low to the ground; preferable a lowrider not a drop through board. And it would make sense for it to be lightweight resulting in less mass to be pushed by the skater. Something of the wood/carbon fibre type of board like a Roe or the wood/fibre-glass combo that Larry sometimes uses as in Jame's skumping deck.
Dang I am nearing the completion of my long search for the perfect quiver and then I get another idea about a board that doesn't yet exist....sheesh!
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trap boards
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On 12/25/2005
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Wow James, I didn't really think of the idea of running the trap with a lowrider! And pushing instead of pumping! Of course, why not!?
I will try out my new LBL drop pin with flipped hanger R2's and gumballs to see what kind of speeds I can get pushing. From what I have learned about wheel size, the relatively smaller wheels should accelerate faster over the short haul. The momentum generated with larger wheels tends to show up more on longer courses. So in theory I should be able to generate more speed pushing my custom LBL lowered board over 176 feet with gumballs than my wood/cf DH with its 83 mm flywheels. Now if only the rains would stop so that I could test out my theory!
As for pumping, I am going to experiment with the Vice-grip and Carver CX's. It will be interesting to start getting some times to post......sigh....as soon as the rains stop (did I already mention the RAIN!? )
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Skoggin Decks
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On 12/25/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
eric, interesting board for the trap!
looks great for optimum speeds!
that board wouldnt work for me for skogging/pumping since I have a technique where I get very low for thrusting power from both legs and when it comes to pumping, I need lots of room to get sideways.
looks like someone who has their own style could benefit from it.
awesome idea! look forward to trying one to make sure my visual assessment is correct.
cYa
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trap time!
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On 12/25/2005 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Hey Eric, here's what I'm currently using on The Trap. For pushing-only, lower the better! Same as what Erin was saying here...
1. low CG and lightweight (rollsrolls carbon fiber drop deck)
2. big wheels for maintaining momentum (Abec11 101's)
For bearings, spacers and speed rings I simply use Chaput's Abec5 Biltin's because I like swapping out wheels fast on the course and not chase loose runaway hardware around on the asphalt.
My favorite pushing setups are this one and the subsonic drop. Next Trap setup is the rollsrolls classic, 97mm Abecs and Revenge trucks. Trucks for push boards don't have to be pumpable, just lightweight and stiff. After experimenting on these push times, I'll probably try the LBL with Carvers pump some Trap times as well.
Yesterday's was 16.2 mph, I don't know how fast or slow that really is, because its the only 176-foot time posted! I'm hoping Chaput will clock his *current* Trap time and post it up while he's still got his winter layer of fat. :-)
Erin, that ride around Stanley was great, count your blessings having such a great "track" to ride on close to home... appreciate your comments though as my own harshest critic, I'm always feeling like the pump can be much smoother and more efficient!
Merry Christmas Gang!
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skogging forum is a go!
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On 12/24/2005 Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
I'm in the mood to run with this.
Enforcing the guidleines and motivating the thread is my main objective, eh? YEA!
I would like at least a few moderators to back me up as sometimes I'm out of the electrical world for up to a week.
There's a Mission Beach longboarder who displays great pedidexterity that might be interested in joining the moderation team. PETE? Y0?
Anyways, please email me any additional moderation details that I might need to know.
I skated yesterday and will be shaking up the christmas pb/mb boardwalk before noon tomorrow. My legs are feeling in the best shape they've been in 20 years.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skogging
I'll be around for this stuff for sure! I need somewhere to document the fun.
cYa
p.s. 2006 could be the year of the skumper but this skogging thread will be dedicated to the art of a flowing gait blending ice skating, roller skating, skateboarding, cross country skiing, jogging and skiing into an aerobic/meditative exercise. 6-10 miles is a good workout. I'm looking for techniques, equipment advances and fitness contributions. That should be a good start. Adam?
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skumping and skogging
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On 12/24/2005
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Eric and I were having some discussion about board set ups for pumping vs alternating leg pushing over on the 'fish a few days ago. Here's a bit from our 'coversation'.
Eric said, "In addition to a skumping set up and a skogging set up, I'd like to have one that can do both at least fairly well, 'cause that's how I skate for long distance. Some pushing, some pumping and whatever else gets far without expending too much energy. So that's why I want three distinct set ups. "
I hear what you're saying about going distance via both pumping and pushing. That is how I generally have been getting around long skateboard routes as well. But I am discovering that as I get better at pumping I am really pushing less and less. When I had the fortune to skate with James Peters last month I noted that he didn't push at all, like never! His pumping was so smooth and effortless, it just seemed so much more efficient than pushing so it made sense that he would default to pumping only.
I think as we get better we too may find that we are pumping exclusively. At first I was seeking a 'hybrid' board - one that was good for both pumping and pushing. But for one thing this is not an easy marriage given how very different the ideal set ups are from one another and for the other probably not even necessary as our pumping improves.
That's why I am opting for a board that is specifically set up for pumping and then I plan to use a light low board for when I am going places where I prefer to push....perhaps areas where the terrain is a bit too hilly to be comfortable for pumping. Of course, as I mentioned in an earlier post, there's always the generic longboard in one's quiver that can happily be pumped now and then and pushed the rest of the time when wants just a low key, non speed or distance oriented skate.
In reference to Chris Y's boards for skogging...they do seem to work very well for him in his boardwalk applications. And there are quite a few other brands of boards that would serve that kind of skogging quite well also. I am thinking however for serious long distance alternating pushes it would just make sense to have a lower and relatively light deck - easy on the knees and quads and not much weight to push.
If it was skogging was my main focus I would consider having a builder build a lowered deck that was lighter, somewhat shorter and with a specialized shape different from existing lowered boards which are most often speedboards. I think this type of light, low and stable board would be amazingly comfortable for alternating pushing. Given this type of set up I feel that a skater could go a very long ways quickly and efficiently. I suppose Adam Colton et. al. have already demonstrated this fact to some extent with their skate across America on LBL drop pins. However I think the board shape and weight could be refined a little more for optimum alternate pushing efficiency.
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missed the delivery.... ;-(
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On 12/24/2005
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Al, your package was here yesterday but I was not. It was noon and I was out having a birthday lunch. The delivery is rescheduled for Wednesday. No big worries though as we are having loads and loads of rain right now so not much opportunity for truck testing.
Have a merry Christmas all of you. I feel lucky to have you as my skate pals and I hope to be able to skate with more of you in the new year.
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"new trucks"
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On 12/24/2005
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
James it's cool that you got the package from "santa". I am expecting one too,
but it'll be a little later. So I'm curious how did you set these up exactly?
If you don't want to discuss it on the forum you can e-mail me or pm thruough sf. BTW what deck are you putting those on and what wheels will you use?
Chris Chaput has mentioned the fastest pushing time through 176 ft. (he was slightly faster pushing than pumping) but I don't know if he used just his primary pushing foot or if he switched feet skog style. Chris C. can you help us on this? I think everyone with trap times posted for 44 feet were pumping more or less slalom style. I don't know what technique would produce the fastest 176 ft trap time.
I agree with James that just pumping and seeing how far or long you can go without touching the ground with either foot is a blast and great excersize and would make a great racing series in short, medium and long distance categories. I also think the same categories could apply to skogging competions and rally's.
Adam thanks for offering C.Yandall a Q&A forum. I hope that he accepts it.
And what are your feelings about all this pumping stuff? I know you spent a lot of time searching for and dialing in your own pumping set up, with great results. No one that has posted a trap time has posted here to discuss their technique, equipment or anything. I think it would be a good habit to start to make comments here or on the skogging forum about recent skates and timed runs. I know many are already reporting feedback from their pumping, skogging or skumping sessions. Keep up the great work, it's fun reading.
Happy birthday Erin! Congrats on the "Special Fifty", a fine piece of rolling art and a fitting b day present for a skate queen. I'm glad you like your cx's
(I have a set on the way!). But I'm also really excited to read either here or in pm or em about the "seceret new" trucks. I'd like to know how you and James set them up as far as decks, wheels, ect.
Al what deck and wheels have you found works best for you on your long distance pump sessions?
And does anyone think that bearings, spacers or speed rings/washers makes any difference in pumping, skogging or LDP?
Happy Holidays to all! And when I get a chance I'll post the mysterious skateboard set up that I got myself for christmas with gift money....
Stay tuned...same pump channel...same pump time....pow...pop...pump...skump...
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catchin up with you all...
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On 12/23/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Welcome back Chris! it has been a long time. 'Yandall on Skogging' is a great idea. I hope that forum might produce more meaty infomation on left-right pushing specifics from the skogging master. And it may produce answers to great mysteries, like did the animal Robin McGuirk who wins all the Portland Push races, switch push legs? I'd like to hear switch-pushing theory from others who are doing this. For example, some say they're going to "skog the Trap" but I don't think one would skog inside 176 feet, seems like foot switching would detract from maintaining the fastest possible speed with the more efficient single push foot? Seems skogging might rather be on the half-mile++ distances... My assumptions might be proven wrong!
And thank you again Eric, pavedwave.com is there in hopes to do exactly that - share discoveries in flatland pumping and inspire more of it. I'm always glad to hear feedback both positive & critical to improve the site! My interest from the start has been 'purist' pumping with the end goal of seeing what happens when you actually push the limits of distance and endurance and keep pumping places even when you know its faster to push. I get a great high from having worked up the stamina to cruise non-stop like this. At the same time, a carefree, beer-run cruise is all good, where it doesn't matter whether 'pushing, skogging or pumping', though in terms of forum/discussion that's vague and kinda falls into the "sidewalk surfing" arena. So I've always felt long distance pumping fits this forum nicely, and I wouldn't want to segment away from the rich pumping theory talk here too quickly, unless 'skumping' were really to take on a life of its own.
Al, you got the stoke-master Santa award! Can't thank you enough. Ready to test!
Erin, here's my condensed CX bushing manual in order of preference: 1. stock reds 2. Khiro blue or white 3. Radikal red or blue -- cool your CX's arrived!
I get jazzed and inspired learning things pump-related experientially...the long trail commutes, race sessions and events throughout the year. E.g., I've learned a TON from Brad Jackman just these past weeks about the potential of Trackers + a stiff wood deck, in fact hoping to make a new Cyber time tomorrow! And like you and all others here I'm equally grateful that Adam has created ncdsa where we can learn from experiences across the globe, meeting like-minded pump addicts, and speeding up the learning curve.
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New forum
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On 12/23/2005
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(64.81.nnn.nnn)
Chris: If you're up to the challenge of moderating a Q&A forum on Skogging I'm happy to give it a try. Let me know..
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Pumping vs. Pushing...
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On 12/23/2005
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
I'm thinking that it would be cool to see who's faster over 176 feet,
the fastest pumpers or the fastest pushers? It's a natural rivalry, although most of us do both. I'd like to see people start adding their times to the trap listings and mentioning in the comments whether they pumped, pushed or both.
And I'm still interested in discussing the ideal equipment and techniques for the trap, as well as medium and long distance pumping and skogging.
Any thoughts on any of this? Anyone?
Thanks in advance for the input!
Happy Birthday Erin! Al's inserts are like a b day present to you.
And for me, when those inserts come along with some gear I ordered from mile high mark, I'm gonna be like a kid on christmas day. Thanks Al, I have'nt gotten such an exciting christmas present in many years! I know they wont be here for christmas day, but that wont take away from the experience one bit!
Thanks again to everyone here,
ERiC
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Chris, Al , Erin , James, and all the pumpers and skoggers..
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On 12/23/2005
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
Chris it's great to see back on this forum. You have been missed. I'm wondering if you still have any of the 38"x9.5" pumping/skogging decks that you have mentioned in the past. If so, I'd really like to purchase one.
I have a pair of original trucks begging to be mounted on one of your special decks. please let me know my e mail is ronin391@yahoo.com .
I think anybody interested in skogging or push racing should e-mail Adam at
webmaster@ncdsa.com if he gets enough e-mails asking for a forum called "Chris Yandall on Skogging and Pumping" he may add that to the site. I'd also like to see a "James Peter's on Skumping (Long Distance Pumping) forum and a forum for discussing the Trap, although we do that here. So Adam, if you're reading this please consider this proposal. Thanks.
Also Chris, I had to pause my "Dogtown and Z Boys" DVD a few times, but I did see your name. You placed first at the 1975 Bahne/Caddilac contest in mens slalom! A better placing than any of the z boys and you weren't even really mentioned. I'm impressed with your past slalom performances and your current skogging and pumping skills and equipment. Please post here often on skogging and pumping untill you get your own forum. I'm very interested in reading your old piece on skogging and also I'm hoping you'll do a new series of articles to put on your web site or publish in concrete wave.
Al, thank you so much for your generosity in sending the truck inserts. Don't rush to send them out, whenever you can is cool. On the other hand, you can't imagine how excited I am to see and try them. Your work in design and pumping is facinating to me.
Erin you are my inspiration, your drive to learn and conquer first downill and sliding, then cruising, then slalom and now long distance pumping and skogging is really amazing. I've been following your path of skateboard mastery and have also been facinated and intrigued by your equipment discussions and choices. Watching you add and subtract set ups from your quiver is an education for me. Your rayne is a beauty and I just read on sf that LBL has just shipped a deck to you. Is this the mysterious LDP deck?
James, thank you for your amazing website. You and your crew have inspired me to go from short to medium distance pumping and long distance skumping is my next step. I'm hopping you'll be here to continue to coach and inspire me and the rest of the skumpers.
Also, I want to thank Chris Chaput for his input here (please post often!) and for the fine equipment that he designs and manufactures. Chris the zig zags and your up coming trucks sound amazing. Please keep working on equipment that is especially good for pumping, skogging and skumping. And your transformation from freestyle champ to downhill and slalom champ is a story worthy of a documentary and a movie, along w/CYA. Oh and you were great in LOD. Also curious as to what size and duro wheels you think would be best for trap, cyber slalom, medium and long distance pumping and skogging.
And last but not least, actually most importantly thank you ADAM for providing this great forum and website for all of us to share ideas and experiences!
Happy Holidays to all the pumpers, skoggers and skumpers!
And thanks for the massive stoke that you've imparted to me.
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Truck inserts, etc..
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On 12/23/2005 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Erin and James, I'm just giving you a heads up that your trucks are on the way. Fed ex says that Erins might be in Vancouver today, But James' probably in Seattle by Saturday. Eric, I won't be able to get yours out until the 26th I think. I got a little late start on it due to the confusion over the shipping address...and now there are too many parties! However, I'll get at it very fast after Christmas! Everyone have a great and restful time with all your family and friends! And lets look to a bright new year for all types of skating and racing! I think this will be a good year with all the new products coming out! I'm especially interested in the new 'pump specific' wheels being made and can't wait to try them!
And yes...Chris is right..another thread on skogging is very justified! There are too many technicalities involved in both disciplines to have them so tied together. It leads to confusion, with many people thinking that they are the same. It's sort of like skiing and x-country skiing...yes, skiing all the same, but as everyone knows..very different from eachother.
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"Chris Yandal on skogging and pumping" & Sliver Srufer
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On 12/23/2005 Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
I'd sure like to see skogging in it's own thread. i'm feeling "jogging" with my skateboard has become a nice fun "run" and would like to explain how I lost over 100lbs going on a skateboard exercise diet.
I guess I could share it here since I still love pumpin' me deck! but the two are seperate worlds.
If the admins decide skogging is a valid thread, I'd like to offer skogging.com to be a launching point of many threads here. I have much better videos, but too lazy to post them. Time to kick them out too. Send me your skogging videos you'd like to share. I'd like to see other techniques and styles.
I will repost an updated how-to .... i think over the last 30 years of doing this, I should be able to talk about how not to skog :D
cYa
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Toronto Tom
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On 12/23/2005 Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
hi tom toronto
in those videos, i got some natural snap inherent in the camber/concave construct. it aint dead flex and it aint rubberband either. i have one pumpin deck that doesnt snap at all. itz all about the discipline you got strokin the pavaement.
i'm down in pb tomorrow skoggin up a storm as I've been consistently pounding the pavement the last 6 months doing the roundtrip pb crystal_pier to south_mission_jetty aerobic sk8ercise :D
pumpin and skoggin is a super workout for this old fart :P
cYa
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unbelievable! - Carver CX's
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On 12/20/2005
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
I just got my Carver CX's in the mail today. Are they ever a huge step up from pumping with R2's or even Tracker rtx/s's! I started out with just the stock bushings deciding to try the trucks 'as is' before fooling around with modifications. I mounted them on the Vice-grip using the same wedging as what I had for the 150 R2's.
Granted, due to today's deluge of the wet stuff, I only skated the polished concrete of the hallways and parkade of our studio building - a common and very useful testing ground for new set ups I might add. I instantly noticed the ease with which the Carver's allowed me to propell the board forward. So much less effort required than on the R2's or Trackers.
As my neighbour exited his studio and saw me skate by he commented that the motion, which he had never seen performed on a skateboard before, looked like that of a dolphin swimming. I have to admit I was rather pleased with this analogy.
I can't wait to hit the bike path with these new trucks. What a difference it will make to LDP to have a truck that responds so efficiently to the pump. I can see what Al is saying about pump specific trucks making it much more attractive for a learner to take up skumping.
James, or anyone else pumping with Carver CX's, how have you set up your trucks and what bushings have you found to work as well or better than the stock Carver bushings.
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this and that
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On 12/19/2005
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Chris thanks for the info on conversions.... though even the simplist math often boogles me, I think I can follow the steps you outlined for mph. (I have to add that though it may seem foreign to you, many people do in fact relate to and understand kph. ;-) )
Munchh, glad to see you back, I was wondering where you'd disappeared to. Sorry to here that the infections have plagued you. Hope you are indeed well enough to be on your board for your birthday.
Paul, in addition to checking out the links that Eric listed, you may also want to spend some time reading through this pumping forum. There is a lot of info packed in these few pages which help to understand long distance pumping and the set ups that people have found most efficient for this skate disicpline.
Eric, I support your request for a seperate forum for skogging..... Chris Yandal's enthusiam for skogging needs to be encouraged - Chris where have you gone, we haven't scared you off with all our pumping talk, have we?!
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High School 'skumping' clubs
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On 12/19/2005
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
I've been mulling over your posts related to Al's idea about how to help 'skumping' gain a broader base of participants. I work in a high school with a population of 2300 plus students. Our campus has a couple of grass soccer fields and a gravel track on its grounds. We are located on a hill and surrounded by hills in every direction. I just tried to imagine the phys ed department incorporating 'skumping' into their curriculum and could quickly picture the challenges in terms of finding a suitable place to even practice the skills of the sport.
It seems like perhaps the a more realistic way of introducing the sport would be through a school club. That way interested students could meet in a safe area after school hours and using club equipment learn the skills necessary to enjoy the sport. Keen students would likely be happy to purchase their own gear so that they could skate on their own time as well.
If all the schools in the district had similar clubs, the schools could meet occassionaly for fun competitions and/or for group skates. I could also see slalom being incorporated into this type of skate club. The variety of types of skating could help draw more students and offer more possibilities for skate events.
I think the very fact that these aspects of skating are relatively new to the general public could really work in our favor in getting skate clubs going in schools. There's lots of kids that are very curious about something new and really want to give it a try. For example, in addition to skateboarding, I also like to go mountain unicycling. Last spring I frequently commuted to school on the one wheeler. Students not only were drawn to watching me ride but clambered to try the uni themselves. LDP would be easier to learn but still probably about as rare as unicycling. I think students would be excited to give this new style of skateboarding a try and school clubs would offer safe opportunities to do so.
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