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kicktail
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On 1/11/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
James, I know what you mean about the 'gas pedal' application of a kick tail on a slalom deck. But I am wondering about on the longer decks - how useful is a kicktail? I don't tend to ever have a stance wide enough to even reach the kicktail on a 40 inch or 43 inch LDP board. I know you have a kicktail on your new LBL. Are you able to use it in the fashion you described below?
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acceleration
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On 1/11/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Munchh, we were lucky to have Brad Jackman transplanted up north from Southern Cal this year, not only raising the bar and amping up our sessions, but also sharing pump technique and ideas on gear from his trainings esp., with Carrasco.
One of the concepts thats really stuck with me is the "gas pedal" from sk8kings AXE setup, or the custom-fits you can do with PPS foam wedge kits. That kicktail lets you crank power from the back by having the foot planted firmly on the rear truck. Look at racers anticipating each pump and note how their heel is often up in the air and toe still planted on the deck, then it makes even more sense. The kicktail under your heel means you can generate just that much more power with each turn -- I think that's the theory, sure works for me!
I see how you've moved that truck farther back -- it will be cool to hear how it works out, and just keep in mind you might try setting it back even farther later on! Experiments in pumping, that's pretty much how we keep sane over the winter... -jp
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rear wedge
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On 1/10/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.137.nnn.nnn)
Cheers boys,
as for the rear truck, this is hoe its wedged at the moment, its on the apex of the tail, not quite half and half. This acceleration you speak of, im missing somthing again, i know pocket pistols drill the back truck on the tail, i always thought it was just for a hight thing, whats it all about Peters? Thanks for the offer of bushings, i'll mail you bout that.
Thanks again for the appreciation, i'm hoping this one is gonna get me going through the trap real good?
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pumpilicious deck
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On 1/10/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
That is one sweet looking setup Munchh! - acceleration off your kicktail and some soft bushings on the front Tracker, looks like a great short trail pumper, hill climber, and you could even put it through some cones. I like how you lengthened the wheelbase, later you might experiment drilling back on the tail and uber-dewedge the rear truck? Will be great to hear your impressions. I'll send you some bushings to test out esp. if they're harder to track down there in your hometown, just lemme know! Nice work on the deck shaping and on getting your pix posted right the first time ;-)
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pumping deck
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On 1/9/2006 silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
I like that deck a lot.
Very nice shape.
When it stops raining let us know how she performs.
Good job on the photo's and on posting them.
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this deck was made for pumping. more
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On 1/9/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.137.nnn.nnn)
Typing was rubbish,
Its 31" x 7 3/4" with a 22" WB, weighs 3kg set ut like this.
wish it would stop raining!!
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this deck was made for pumping.
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On 1/9/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.137.nnn.nnn)
Wohoo, thanks to Steve in AZ, i have found the joy of pic hosting and i can finally post the pics of the 1st deck from my air prss and it has at last got my new Tracker race tracks on it. Its a Roarokit street kit deck, but i've given it my favorte template shape and finnished the bottom with an oak veneer, urnt in y logo and it was a jy to behold. Mabie i should have posted on homemades, but it was aways going to become a pumper and its your oppinions i'd like so,
What do ya'll think,
cheers,
Munchh.
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timing system
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On 1/8/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Hey Al - for sprint runs a few of us are going in on the following setup.
1. Trakmate TIMER
http://www.infoserve.net/oss/slotcar/sports/index.htm
2. Tape SWITCHES (phone and custom order length)
http://www.tapeswitch.com/
3. About 800-1000 feet of phone CABLE for start-->finish.
Currently we're still using stopwatch and running 1. both directions, 2. multiple times (and days) and averaging, 3. throwing away lowest 'best' times since they're likely due to twitchy trigger finger. In the short term I'd recommend both you and your friend hold stopwatches, when racing try to self-time then compare against your buddy's watch.
I've also thought about setting video that shoots the whole course, then set cones that you intentionally plow through at both Start and Finish lines, to have a clear visual to double-check times later. A bit convoluted though...
The GPS will be for marathon rides. Gotta sell some stuff first!
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crude but accurate timing methods?
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On 1/8/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
James,
I'm just curious to know your current method of timing your races, presuming that you're not yet using the GPS systems that you talked about? My methods of calculating my times are really very crude, and I, like you, would like a more accurate method. As of now, I use a regular Casio type watch and start and stop as I'm crossing the lines. If I have a friend available, I have him walk to the finish line, while I throw down my arms while I cross the starting line. Then, of course, as I finish he stops the watch. However, with such short distances, and few seconds, I'm abit skeptical as to the accuracy of this second method. Anyway, just curious to see if we're using the same systems for timing...and if not, what you think is the most effective?
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TRAP times while the weather is still crappy
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On 1/7/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Some new unofficial TRAP times, GS boards seem to fit the pump equation! And some amateur vid:
http://home.comcast.net/~jampet99/images/trappin.wmv
Corey pumping - 15.78 mph (7.6 sec), AXE, Tracker mids, Manx 69mm.
Peters pumping- 16.21 mph (7.4 sec), PPS, splitfire, Indy offset, Avalons.
Stryker pushing - 17.39 mph (6.9 sec), mystery drop deck, Indys, Exkate wheels.
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GPS on distance rides
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On 1/5/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
For long rides and short sprints I'd like a GPS device, like a Garmin Foretrex, Forerunner or Magellan. there's a bunch in the $100 range, then jumps to $400 range. anyone with quick opinions would be great to hear. I see HughR uses them and mentions some issues when in canyon areas, but I suppose their accuracy is generally trusted? There must be limitations though on accuracy of really short distances. I'd like something that you can download all the ride data (altitude, distance and speed) into a PC and graph it out later...
cYa - WHEW, 12-15mph's a much better ballpark. I figured either that scooter guy was off, or else steroids were involved!! old age? no way, this stuff keeps us all young and strong!
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21mph more like 12mph :D
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On 1/4/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
mendicino's finest was to blame on that one
working up off of 15mph is more like it. just get one of those segways guy to ride next to you.
most of their speedometers are calibrated properly and then you can get a real good idea of actual speed.
woops! here comes old age? :D
Chris Yandall
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push planks and pumpitude
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On 1/4/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Hey thanks Eric, the vids are just quickest way to share what we're up to, raw and amateur. Chaputs link is cool. Hey wait, he's just talkin, where's the riding? ;-)
77mm is a good in-between extremes size, which may apply to both push and pump times. A low, stable plank setup is the other important factor, keeping the push foot efficiently low to the ground. Didn't sense a discernable advantage yet in performance between the heavier LandyDH and lighter Rolls. Next, will be lowering the RollsRolls' CG by mounting the 77's.
I recall Chris Y's post talking about pushin' along the boardwalk at 21mph just a year ago! Hmmmmm. I'm guessing a bit of a downhill slope there??
Yep the Trap is heavily a "drill", a way to isolate specific speed elements. So at least when the subject is the Trap, its all about speed. And like I said, make it more fun...get a buddy and race it! That's the oldest game in the book -- "Hey, race you to that sign up ahead..."
For distance and just cruising, the full-on pump is what I dig. I'm not always focused on speed there, but when you've hit the same course 10 times (i.e. commute to work), you want to make that time as efficient as possible. My fastest work commute is 59mins "skumping" and 53mins pushing. For 6 mins difference I continue to work on speeding up the pump!
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Chris Chaput video
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On 1/3/2006
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
Here is a short video clip of Chris Chaput discussing the trap, pumping and pushing. Check it out.
http://pumpyourdeck.com/chaput_onpumpin.html
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You guys pump me up!
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On 1/3/2006
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
James the dual trap vid is awesome!
I like the pump vs. push contest, however pump vs. pump will be fun too.
I can see the genius in getting your fastest push time first. It will give you
a benchmark to beat. And you can keep fine tuning your pump technique and equipment untill you get your best time/mph. Just as you are doing for the push. It will be interesting to see what strategy, technique and equipment will produce the quickest pump times. The slalom racers are doing quite well pumping over the short 44 foot course. Presumably on slalom equipment, but their only equipment notes were; Grippins.
How did the Landyachtz DH, Exkate trucks, 77mm 81a Strikers set up feel compared to the rolls rolls with the big flywheels? Was it easier or harder to push? Faster or slower? Have you gotten a handle on what type of board/truck set up will be best for pushing 176'? What about wheel size?
Were the 77mm better than the 101mm's? Would even smaller or bigger be better yet? Or is 77mm optimum?
I realize you may not have all the answers yet. Like Erin, I'm still working on my pump. But I'm very interested in your work on pushing and I'm very
curious to see what will prevail for both pushing and pumping.
However, as Chris Y. said it's not all about speed. I really enjoy a good pump session or push cruise just for the fun of it. I see the trap as a way to find the most efficient way to pump or push.
I think in the spring I'll start timing a longer course as well as the trap.
I guess James and Al have the LDP pretty much all figured out. I'll need to work on my endurance and technique as well as equipment.
Keep up the great work everyone! This is exciting and is keeping me busy untill the weather gets better. Thank you!
-Eric
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skumped by y0 m0mma
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On 1/2/2006 Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.95.nnn.nnn)
lifted from skumping.com :D
"Note: this page is a facelift off Chris Yandall's "skogging" page, paying homage to a 70's SoCal legend who seems to be as jazzed about pushing a skateboard - as we are about pumping a skateboard. His alternate-foot-pushing website is www.skogging.com Imitation is indeed the sincerest form of flattery! -jp "
Let's just say I love it and if pepsi wants to beat sony and nike to the logo punch, bring it on!
jazzed :D indeed. my favorite exercise next to sleep !
Chris Yandall
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the pushing is temporary ;-)
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On 1/2/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Hey Erin, I consider these pushing Trap times as a baseline for now, did it today again with an average hovering around 16.35mph, so after a few more experiments with low CG decks and wheel size, then its full-on PUMP!! And I do think the pump will take over in the longer course -- its just a matter of finding and locking in on a fast cadence pump ASAP
Today's was Landyachtz DH, Exkate trucks, 77mm 81a Strikers.
Welcome Tim! - and Happy New Year all.
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hi everyone
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On 1/1/2006
LandyachtzDHrace
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
silversurfer from Silverfish pointed me this direction i juss want to say whats up everyone and my names tim
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dual trap run
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On 12/31/2005
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
James, thanks for posting that vid on your dual trap "comp". Interesting that the push is still faster than the pump! Humm, I am sort of surprised.
I am guessing that over a slightly longer distance the pump may start to gain over the push. What do you think?
I am still of the mind to use the Trap as a way of testing improvements in my pump speed and therefore will not likely mess around much with the push. Nevertheless the possibilty of either does make it more flexible in terms of have friendly competitions with other skaters who might not be very familiar/comfortable with pumping.
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The DOUBLE TRAP
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On 12/31/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Here's a Trap vid, Munson and I hittin' it as a race this morning in a dry garage on a wet Northwest day. He pumped the distance and I pushed it. Push times were faster (7:40-7:60 range) but its just a first time trying this head to head, there's much to be explored in improving pump technique and more optimal setups.
Double Trap Race
home.comcast.net/~jampet99/images /trap.wmv
Push setup: Arbor pin, stiff trucks. 75mm 72a Avilas. (Next: harder duro and lower CG)
Pump setup: Roe/Insect 43", CarverCXs. 75mm 72a Avilas. (Next: harder duro and practice)
As a race, its a blast! Once the Trap times get narrower we'll need timing system/strips, because the manual stopwatch is hard to manage accurately at these speeds.
Munchh, hope you find a place, keep hunting! - early morning tends to be lowest bust factor. The trackers are nice, especially for the price. I like 85mm Midtracks in front.
jp
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indoor
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On 12/31/2005
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Peters,
i've been looking, but alot of the carparks round here have that 'waffle' type concrete flooring not tarmac and i'm asuming its because we have the most 'hoodies' and we are right next to Gatwick airport, security is somewhat stepped up!
It seems to be drying up today, its been sleet for 2 days straight.
Got a bit of birthday money, went online to order those RTX/RTS Trackers ive been pining for and they are out of stock, arse, be glad to get back to work and some normality, ive put on 1/2 a stone sitting around all this time!
Happy new year all.
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Inserts have landed...
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On 12/30/2005
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
Al the package came today!
I was very excited, thank you so much.
I got your e mail and I will e mail you more info
on what I've done with your...
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inserts etc
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On 12/30/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Al, so glad I stopped by the office for some garage cyber this morning...there was a little Xmas package waiting! Yeahhhh! I can't wait to get set up and hit some laps, that garage is saving my sanity. Munchh, can you find any indoor place to lay down some urethane?
With all the truck and deck improvements to experiment on, and workin' on both the goofy and standard pumps, I'd have to agree with what Yandall said below "...2006 could be the year of the skumper..." (Hey I'm a speed reader, I just get bits and pieces) ;-)
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Inserts should be delivered
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On 12/30/2005
Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
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Eric,
If you haven't checked your e-mail yet I'll give you an update on your shipment...they should be there by now. FedEx says they were delivered at 10:00 this morning to your hometown FedEx center. Just wanted to let you know so you might get them before the New Year!
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