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sticky 'thane
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On 1/20/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Airin, congrats you've got the giant roll-over-everything sticky gummy wheels!! 76a/72a is great for almost any condition trail, and I'd swear that by using the big soft duros, foot and arch pain is seriously reduced by less conduction of asphalt bumps and rattles going directly to your feet.
On another note! - I got to preview the NEW ZigZag 'thane at last Saturdays cyber session, its Wicked, like a bouncy, sticky super-ball. I'll have to get a set for slalom, but currently I'm planning to shred the hell out of all my Avalons and Hot Spots.
Who knows, might even get to ride a trail this weekend?! And Munchh that Cayman snake is now my desktop wallpaper ;-)
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yummmmmm Avilas!
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On 1/19/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Yummmy Avilas, gotta love 'em for pumping ..... add a dash of Carver CX for more flavour!
Oh those bad boys are the answer to my pea-gravel woes. They roll over everything and with 72a in the back and 76a in the front its one smooooooooth ride!
Try 'em if you haven't already.
I'm getting closer and closer to the perfect pumping machine! Yessssssss!
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more snakes
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On 1/19/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
This one is in the Cayman islands, like it.
Click here for link
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abec11 bushings
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On 1/19/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
yeah since Chaput hasn't made 'em yet, I'm taking a hole saw to my flat-spotted NoSkools to make some sweet bushings soon!!
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Springy back trucks
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On 1/19/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Eric, I kind of like the idea, mentioned awhile back, I think by James, something along the lines of making a larger bushing.(referring to Chris Chaput's idea) I'm pretty curious how it would effect rebound in the DP trucks. I think I'll get a Dremel going on one of my trucks, and then CNC carve some oversize conical bushings out of an old Gumball. I think 1 1/16" or1 1/8", should do. Since the double pivot trucks have so many adjustment characteristics, and are already super turny, I think they might be able to afford the larger bushings, without sacrificing turning radius. Single Pivot trucks need the small ones to make the turning easier. However, I think its just another theory that needs to be tried!
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"Four Wheels Down" by Dan Gesmer
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On 1/18/2006
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
James those are some AWESOME looking snake runs! I'd love to get a chance to skate those, either now or when I'm a senior skater!
Hey anyone who has not seen Dan Gesmer's video Four Wheels Down should check it out. It's got some amazing pumping and general skateboarding. Really amazing pumping skill.
http://www.ncdsa.com/four_wheels_down.mov
It also got me thinking about an idea that James mentioned elsewhere.
The idea of using a Seismic back truck with a really turny/pumpable front truck. I'm thinking the seismic might add some power to the pump by increasing rebound, energy and return to center. James if you could comment on
your experience and ideas for the future using this set up I'd be grateful.
And has anyone else tried anything like that set up or any other interesting combinations that might be good for pumping?
I'd like to hear more details, recommendations and discussion of pumping and LDP gear. If anyone has any ideas on decks, trucks/bushings/springs, wheels and/or bearings that would be ideal or close to ideal for pumping I'd love to hear about them. Thanks for all the info guys, this is a very informative forum!
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snake runz
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On 1/18/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
More snake run parks will serve us all well, especially 30 years from now when we're seniors and need parks we can still pump around ;-) Did some googling for snake run parks, here's a few tasty bites!
Burien, south of Seattle
Burnside
KONA
Poway
Australia
Al, great ideas - especially "...a 1st class medical center at the bottom..."!!!
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More than 'pipe dreams'... unless, of course, your talkin' .. half pipes!
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On 1/18/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Munchh,
Everything is possible, and really, I can't imagine something like this..not being made one day! However, for these things to happen, the sport needs to evolve more and more to the longboarding/pumping scene. I think big sponsers for parks like this would only be on board if it was a family orientated park, as is skiing and even golf. If more adults started to longboard, there would also be more money in it! Just think of what skiing would be without the adults!....No $$..just like skating! So, with more inclusion of women and young children, as well as some seniors, into the sport of longboarding/pumping/slalom, there would follow money and new parks like the ones we're discribing. I only hope that with the new trucks,wheels and decks being developed these new riders might be more attracted. Then skateboarding might arrive at the place where it should be...as the best and most popular of the "mainstream" sports!
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park pleasure
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On 1/17/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey Al,
i want tickets to your park.......cool vision dood.
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Paved Wave park
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On 1/17/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
James,
Everything about the old Paved Wave park in Florida looks totally cool! I would only like to see it about 5 to 10 times as large, maybe with 3 or 4 other runs in different directions...more bowls, transition pump areas, a series of wave-like ditchs which get progressively deeper and a good rope tow at the bottom. Of course the rope tow would blast up the hill with bungee cord handles through a series of concrete moguls, just so as not to waste any fun! Oh yeah, and a skate lodge could be at the top, with a pool and jacuzzi, just like they have up at Squaw Valley ski resort! Throw in a few dozen complimentary BBQ's, an industrial ice maker for the beers, and possibly a 1st class medical center at the bottom...and I think it's ready to go! :) Oh, one last thing...someone up in Seattle needs to convert Bill Gates to the pumping/skumping/longboarding scene....so he can pay the bill! Hint: Trap races in front of his house with signs saying "free lessons for all ages" ...might do the trick!
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'bearing' - NOT - should read "bushing"
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On 1/17/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
...sheeesh, where's the 'edit' button on this forum!
that should read 'bushing' not bearing....d'oh
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bearing tarrrrrr
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On 1/17/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Yeah James, I'm not too fussed about the squeaking anymore myself. Some folks have said that a little wd40 sprayed into the pivot cup can quiet things down - a tip for those of you who are still after a noiseless ride. All in all, I think no matter what you use, even powder, it will eventually turn into a black slop....and isn't that one of the reasons we abandoned bike maintenance way back in the day when we rode on two wheels?!
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squeakin
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On 1/17/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
E - I've been trying silicon grease as well, mixes with bearing dirt/gunk and makes a nice black tarrrrr... I might try powder, will let u know! Usually I don't notice because the MP3 is on ;-)
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Dream Pumpin' Parks
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On 1/16/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Al, Florida's Paved Wave long-ago skatepark sounds kinda like your conversation!!? Wouldn't it be a trip if golf-course skateparks also came full circle, focused on smooth transitions, endless pumping... Pls keep in touch with that guy!
Right in my backyard is Grindline's Orcas Island skatepark, 30,000 sq. ft.! Haven't been for fear I'd be packing up the family and relocating permanently. The snake runs are supposed to be long, winding and pumpilicious. Know other parks that are pump-centric?!
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skate squeaks
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On 1/16/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
James thanks for your encouraging words and the inspiration of you and your gang running cones and the Trap in spite of these wet winter days.
When it comes to squeaky skates...it seems to be in part the bushings but also often the pivot cup. In the past I have used silicone grease, the same type used with scuba equipment, to hush up my restless bushings and pivot cup. Though effective, the grease does eventually cause grit to collect and can be a bit of a dirty mess after a while.
Recently with so much board tweaking, the frequent disassembling and resassembling of boards has caused me to forgo my usual truck-lubing routine and instead I just started to accept the squeak of the board as I traveled along.
The Carver CX's take the cake for squeaking....stock bushings that is. Perhaps it is the relatively tall bushings or the deep pivot on the front truck.
Anyways, if you are ever skating up my way, you'll know its me coming up behind you....'squeak', 'squawk', 'sqwack', 'squeak'.....
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Trappin, CXs and stuff
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On 1/16/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Erin you've *already* got bragging rights, esp. you've averaged Trap over multiple runs - that time is solid! Good on ya! Hope you can make it down here some weekend, rain or shine we should have somethin' going on, else we'll make it happen.
Nice to hear your CarverCX impressions as well - you said... "still have to work on generating fast accelerations ... for the Trap but for longer continuous pumping these trucks are delightful." Absolutely, I think the CX's are perfect for skumping/distances. I'm currently sold on the narrower Split-Fire or 85mm Tracker for pumping the sprint/Trap and I've even tried these on the trail, but on long rides I'm still wary of busting a kingpin with Randal-esque reversed pin architecture (though the split axle might mitigate that??) and also CX's pump being so incredibly smooth, I still haven't broken a front kingpin for what must be 500++ miles -- just broke two REAR kingpins for a change.
Hey Munchh - I think sometimes that bushing squeak comes from cold weather as well. I started testing out Stims on my longboards after seeing some of Erin's rigs and though the performance is amazing as expected, they squeak like crazy too! I'm hoping squeaks shut up as things warm up (there's a theory anyway.) I'll mail you about bushings, its wild that the weather dried up for us all this weekend -- across the globe apparently!
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Cyber Pumpology
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On 1/16/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Saturdays garage cyber was a blast. Corey and Jackman were just tenths apart, and Strykers gonna kick my butt next time we get out ;-) Gareth casually jumped in later and just SMOKED -- his fast, smooth precision reminded me to *breathe* again, he makes it look effortless! Even a few of the kids were there in the early morning, stoked to ride - gasp - FLATland, of all things!! They were either poppin' ollies or slicing cones, Darren's amazing form and his racing times keep me in check!
Michael Dong stopped by with the timer and gave us some great tips on our starts, etc. and here's a few of the things he reminded us, most of which apply to the Trap as well (thanks MD!!)
- post your times, it keeps you conscious of your goals and progress
- swing your arms faster than you think you should, your body catches up
- stay low, wide and powerful on starts, slowly raise and narrow as you go
- there is no 1st cone! last push should be just before, step *over* 1st cone
- cyber WILL improve your push starts, period. that comes in handy later!
I'm going to put (super tiny) paint-dots on the current course. One great thing about Cyber/Trap is that constant course, having a consistent measuring stick on your progress.
I just hope we can get outside for a change in the coming weekends!! Next time maybe we'll take pics with t-shirts and shorts under bright flourescent garage lights so it will look like we're outdoors?!
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Parks of the future/ More Dreamin'
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On 1/16/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Last night, after an afternoon skate session, I ran into another 'Gringo' here in Santo Domingo..and in all places..at a Baskin Robbins! I heard him speaking some English and so quickly enquired and found out that he was from CA, and San Diego at that!I think he is the first Californian I have met here so far, after being almost two years in the country, and so I was pretty happy to talk to a fellow countryman! Anyway, he is in the business of building golf courses, pretty much exclusivily for the 5 million, or so, tourists who come here for vacations every year. Anyway, I wasn't going to let the conversation devolve around golf..I needed to steer it towards the future!...Skate Courses. After discussing skateboarding a bit, we talked of the possibilities of including some type of a skate course as a sideline to a golf course. That is...to take some of the golf course, maybe only 1 hole for instance...and pave it! There would be no need for mowing, watering, fertilizing etc... and would be a place where the children of golfers, or other adventurous tourists, might go for a little adrenlin. Anyway, the whole conversation was great! What dreams! What possibilities...if there is some rich developer out there who wants to take a chance and build the greatest, most fun-pumpin'/cruisin'skatecourse in the world, and probably for less than the construction of a few holes of regular golf! And to cap things off...I had my 43" longboard on hand..and after pumping around the parking lot for a min. or 2.. to prove the point of how fun it is!.. at about 9 in the evening..he had to try it out! Being an ex-skater from San Diego, he couldn't resist! Anyway, we are going to try to communicate in the future..and who knows?? maybe something will come of it?? If not? .. I still think that skate courses/resorts will be a part of the future of skateboarding. I think anyone who has enjoyed the whole thrill and ambience of ski slopes/resorts, as I have growing up....cannot help but think, that possibly, something of the sort can be translated into the sport of skateboarding. A great dream! .. just hope it happens somewhere near where I live! What the heck! I hope I can help develope it! Any ideas??
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pumpin popsickle
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On 1/15/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Looks like today was a good day all round?
I too finally had some nearly dry tarmac, it was a mixture of no riding for 2 months and the race tracks i think, but the deck is great.
Me and my nephew drove round some usual haughnts andsome new ones spotting the dry stuff. We tried a cycle track that i spied on the way home from work that will be getting alot more use in future.
As this was the 1st time i've riden the race track trackers, i can only go on 1st impressions, but i reacon they are the nuts!
The rear truck is so stable compaired to any i have, considering the 22" WB i found that i could carve at speed with no problems with wobble. The front truck is more turny than anything else i ride, but still it gave me great confidence, i'm sure the 70mm flashbacks had alot to do with it aswell.
I was able to gain speed easily when pumping the front truck and having my front foot directly over the truck made a big diffrence (thanks for the tip James). I havent got any cones, but when i look at the video i was able to pump i would say 6' centers offset by 4', it felt great, i was pushing quite hard and it never felt like the wheels were going to let go.
All in all, i look really stiff compaired with the vids i've seen of you guys, so i've got alot of time to spend getting my arms into the pumping motion, i only rode slight hills and i think i can afford to go looser with the trucks (i was a little worried about decking, but i managed to anyway when i was just pushing along to the car uphill, ouch! The stock bushings are creaky, just like the yellow Randal ones and didnt really give me the return i was hoping, so they've got to go.
Nice to be rollin again.
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Carver CX's and Hot Spots
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On 1/15/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Today was also the first time I really put the Carver CX'x and Hot Spots to the test on the road. I found the Carvers to be by far the easist truck I have ever tried to pump. I was able to kind of 'roll' through the pump motion more than on any other trucks. With the R2 150's it seemed I really need to 'crank' them back an forth whereas the Carvers naturally led me to a smoother more flowing kind of pump. I really liked that feeling!
I still have to work on generating fast accelerations as is necessary for the Trap but for longer continuous pumping these trucks are delightful.
As for the Hot Spots, I was running 77a all round and found them to be a really grippy, fast wheel however the scattering of pea gravel that is found all along my flatland seawall route acts as deadly 'brake' with this size wheels. I have found this out the hard way on my cruising boards as well. It seems anything less than a wheel in the mid 70's will suddenly slam to a stop when it hits a camouflaged bit of this type of gravel. For this reason I think I will try out the split duro Avilas I have. I think that Avilas will likely take more effort to get going but they will be much more forgiving when encoutering the dangerous pavement shrapnel that constantly threatens to dump me off the deck at the least expected moment.
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first time 'trapping'
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On 1/15/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Well its nothing to brag about but maybe my first times for running the trap will inspire those lurkers out there that don't quite have the skillz of the 'big boys'.
I finally had dry enough pavement to run the Trap that I had measured out over a month ago - before the monsoons!
I had the Vice set up with Carver CX's, stock bushings, and 77a Hot Spots. There was a headwind one way, tailwind the other so I did a bunch of runs in both directions and my rough estimate of my average time was 12.5 seconds. Hardly gonna make it into any record books with that time but it will be a good early season baseline from which I am sure I will only improve as I gain more skill at pumping and get more tuned in to my board.
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my last on bearings
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On 1/13/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Its all much of a muchness, six of one and half a dozen of another....
The industry guy could never understand how i got hold of abec 7's so cheap, his prices were 3x what the skate shops charge unless you were buying a thousand (he says that they are mostly chinese and the ratings a dubious), he seemed to think that when tested to the silly RPM they do, the weight was evenly distributed around the shaft they were fitted on, this is not on the other hand how we use them, with the bearing taking most of its load sideways, so being that the abec rating basically dictates the spherical perfectness of the balls, the higher the rating the better for me.
(I need a coffee, there was some long words in there!)
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re: bearings
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On 1/13/2006 matze
wrote in from
Germany
(84.161.nnn.nnn)
Good bearings can make your life much easyer. As Peters said, biltins are great. Another good deal are ceramics. I made may best experience with dry and clean ceramic-bearings (no grease and no oil inside). But this works only for short distances (like the trap). After a few hundret meter there will be to much dirt on the running surface. Nonetheless I drove these dry bearings for about 10 Kilometers without cleaning them and they still work like they are new (after cleaning). To prevent the dirt and to have anyway a fast bearing you can use 0W-30 Oil from the gasstation. This Oil will be as well used in the formula1. Its not cheap but it works verry well. Another great idea is to fill the biltins with ceramic balls. Never tested by myself until now, because the biltins don't fit on my hardened precise 8m axles (only because of some 1/100mm).
The avon Boosters looks great.
http://www.avon-rubber.com/default.htm
I hope this helps.
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re: bearings
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On 1/12/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
The truck/bushing/kingpin and wheel combo is where I invest the most neurons, so I don't give much thought to bearings. I go with whatevers lying around and once they blow out or gunk up, I upgrade to Abec5 Biltins. Just not much into tinkering with rings+spacers and I like to switch out wheels, a lot. I think biltins handle the side loads best as anything out there. If you've got a good source for the abec7's, stick with it, you crazy speed freak!! ;-)
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