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Originals
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On 2/3/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Sounds good if you can work with it.
I've been thinking about Originals as a front truck?
I had some of what i think are the s8's, it was a time ago when all i was worried about was deep carves down fast hills. I rode them and rode them, there was one moment that it all seemed to come together, then all four wheels went sideways and i found myself on my face! They soon were sold to a guy who 'pumps' his deck, instead of putting his feet down, whats all that about??
I've now got some of the really wide (250's?) ones, on a popsickle, they are both on the kicks with 109mm offroad wheels, it goes down grass hills like a snowboard!
So are they any good as a front truck? I know i would never now use one on the rear.
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A Pumpin' Epiphany....
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On 2/3/2006
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
I have two pumping set ups.
One is a Comet Scramjet with Double Pivot trucks front and rear with 80a
Hot Spots. That one is a sweet ride.
The other is the Roe Eldorado with a Carver CX front truck and a standard carver (regular) truck in back. I've used 76mm 78a Flywheels
and 78a Gumballs on this on trying to see what I like better.
The problem with this set up is that the front truck turns so tight that the back outside wheel lifts frequently when pumping or hard turning.
I read about James Peters using a seismic rear truck on one of his set ups, and I almost pulled the trigger on a 30* 155mm. But then it hit me......
A pumping epiphany!
Why not try a 150mm Original S6 on the back?!
Especially since I have it on hand, and I don't currently have any seismics in inventory.
So I did it. I left the CX in front and put the S6 in back. I evened out the height with one soft riser and one hard riser (of different flat sizes) under each truck.
Then I had to match up the width, since CX's are 160mm and S6's are 150mm. So I put 78a Gumballs (off set) in back and 76mm 78a Flywheels (centerset) in front. Viola! The height and width are a near perfect match.
The outside rear no longer lifts!
The pumping power and speed have increased exponentially!
The fun and coolness factor have sky rocketed!
It turns tighter and with more precision!
It carves like a dream (well that WAS a dream, no place to test carving right now)!
I actually had to loosen the front CX to keep the FRONT wheel from lifting.
A truly awesome pumping set up.
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tape
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On 2/2/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
You'd be surprised,
i use it on ply sometimes, i've never used duct tape but it might be too sticky and could damage the glass when you take it off, unless you make it less tacky 1st??
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Duct Tape?
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On 2/2/2006 Sean C.
wrote in from
United States
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Hmm... Good idea... You think duct tape would work as well? I would think masking tape is too thin and tearable to provide sufficient protection from splintering fibreglass...
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goggles and a mask
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On 2/2/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Sorry to state the obvious man, but a mask is as well.
Have you cut it yet?
I dont know if the glass will spinter, but some wide masking tape put on both sides before you draw your shape could help stop that?
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Goggles
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On 2/2/2006 Sean C.
wrote in from
United States
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Well yeah, of course, goggles are always a must (or at least saftey glasses).
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Kingpins and Needles
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On 2/2/2006 JamieM.
wrote in from
Canada
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Thanks for the reply JPeters. What I have been doing for some of my setups is taking a longer bolt(3 3/4") cutting it down, leaving about 1/2" of thread for the nut. This removes the bending loads from the threaded section. If you have already tried this, how did it hold up to LDP? The Radikal Kingpin is different than a standard pin,it's threaded at both ends. I think it would fail quite quickly under hard LDPing.
My Goal for summer is to be able to pump to work! About 3.5km. Should be fun!
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SEAN C.
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On 2/2/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
I was looking back and realised i hadn't posted about cutting that deck like i was going to.!!
Just incase you've not started, i've never cut fibre glass, BUT, the best advise i can give you is, MASK AND GOGGLES ALWAYS WHEN CUTTING AND SANDING, I only had to rub an eye once while sanding between coats of varnish, to know that dust is not good for you, when you read whats in the stuff its like 'murder she wrote'? Also if its fibreglass, i'd be inclined to get some latex gloves and tuck in your sleeves, those dispossable white suits are good aswell.
Might sound a little extreem, but i've decided that skateboard carsigens, will not be why i have breathing problems in my old age!!
Have fun though dood.......
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Surf Bug..
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On 2/1/2006 SS
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
James keep me posted on the Surf Bug updates.
And please mention my situation to Steve when you see him.
I'm eager to have him make me a "Surf Bug" with the snappier flex and whatever other mods you can think of to improve it's pumping prowess.
Thanks!
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pins and stuf
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On 2/1/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the note on the site Jamie! Most of the time kingpins break right where the threading starts, or in the middle of the threads. Its why flipping kingpin position is key -- keeping the smooth part of the bolt where the hangar stresses it most.
Not sure the Rad kingpin would work on Randal (for one thing its too short) but I'll be stressing/testing my Radikal pin on a Radikal from this weekend! According to a thread over on the Trucks forum though, I can't ride over cracks in the pavement with my Radikal...nice smooth racing surfaces only (hmmm) So even though I've got doubts about that theory, I will be religiously avoiding all cracks and thus expecting this kingpin *never ever* to break! ;-)
SS, I'm taking my Surf Bug over to Steve this weekend for a couple mods, just a little shorter but keeping long wheelbase, it had slight excess in tail then just one "little" performance tweak...
Munchh your setups rock, cool to see you gettin' it dialed!
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Now I get it!
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On 2/1/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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I set these up and have just been out for a quick go as i'm not throwing up anymore!!
And it was quick,
for as soon as i stepped outside it started snowing?? (bloody conspiracy)
Anyway, the top one has 2" from nose to bolts the other has 3", i know this is short compaired to many of you, but they are my 1st setups and as you can see from the bottom one, its not like i wont drill more holes. They both have a 175mm 'redline' (i think) truck on the rear mounted flat and a high wedged 180 RII on the front, both have a 27 3/4" WB.
I rode the top one down the hill outside my house, its a cresant that gets flat as it runs past my close, normally after turning into the close, about halfway up the hill i have to push the rest of the way to my house, but oooohhhhh no, not this time.
I was able to pump easily all the way in and only had to stop because my car was in the way.................WICKED!!!!
My kiro's are on the way and i got an extra set to put in my Randals, i'm still on the look out for 150mm hangers, but by the feel of it i'm gonna be having some fun with the 180's.
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bug etc
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On 2/1/2006
toddc
wrote in from
United States
(198.39.nnn.nnn)
Andy, maybe we can meet some saturday in SM and you can give my deck a try. I'll bring along couple of others as well (42" pocketpistol superlite RII 150s with 75m 80a Manx, 36" pocket pistol superlite RII 150s with 80a Avila, 39" custom pumpkin with trackers and blue comets, 44" pocket pistol ditchkiller with carver c7s and red zigzags...write to me and we'll see what we can do.
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Radikal Kingpin?
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On 2/1/2006
Sean C.
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Have any of you ever thought about trying a titanium radikal kingpin? It says that they are titanium on their site but I'm not sure of it... Or doesn't Grind King make a Titanium truck that has a titanium kingpin?
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Wheelbases on Fibreflex
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On 2/1/2006
Sean C.
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Hmm... I'm guessing the stock wheelbases are around the upper 30's, so that leaves alot of experimentation. The camber is basically centered on the deck with maybe it a little more to the front. The front is definitely the sweet spot. Thats good because the front has the most width to work with. I'll experiment today with it.
I'm not forgetting about the Roe at all. I'm still definitely considering that. Its always nice to have more than 1 pumper!
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Kingpin failure
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On 2/1/2006 Jamie M.
wrote in from
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Where on the Kinpin, is the most common failure point?
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JPeters
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On 2/1/2006 Jamie M.
wrote in from
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Dude your website is amazing! Great info!
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Snappier "Surf Bug"
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On 1/31/2006
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
James I am very interested in the new snappier surf bug.
Can you give me any more details and info about it?
And please let me know when I might be able to purchase this newly modified version of your surf bug deck. I'm already quite impressed by the current version that I have seen on your website.
Your longboardlarry deck is also very impressive and I can't wait to see Erin's new LBL LDP deck as well.
Erin as you said this is very exciting!
Specialized pumping gear is getting me so....PUMPED for spring!
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cadence...
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On 1/31/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
By running the R180s on the longer wheelbase, you must have built up a fairly powerful cadence/pump by now, todd!? The 150s give a quicker pump but I've noticed my buddy Derek rides with a wider stance (he's also a bit taller and heavier than myself) and can really crank speed consistently on 160s (CX). When we're just out goofing on the trail, then go for a 'sprint', I have to lay on the tighter, slalom wiggle pace to stay ahead of him! In any case it'd be great if you guys can ever make it up to ride, if not soon, I'm hoping to invade So. Cal this year (like I said last year!!!) cheers-jp
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magical wheels on the Roe-Sect
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On 1/31/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
todd, the ZigZags would be great, I had a chance to check out Chaputs bouncy urethane the last couple weekends... tho they're just a little smaller, they would cook on the inclines! I still switch to Avalons sometimes when I'm going on a shorter but more inclined run -- I envy you guys with all the dry weather!
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decks for the flatland pumper
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On 1/31/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Ohhhhhhhh yessssss, these are exciting times! With some exciting decks just around the corner.
thanks for the head's up about the 'sig' Insect board James! Can't wait.
Its gonna be one sweet flatland season this year with more pumpers, better gear and a whole new sport to explore!!!
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LDP deck
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On 1/31/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
hehe - well Erin, caught word that requests for my 'Surf Bug' design have been coming in, so I've been sending the latest mods to Steve -- its premature for me to call it a 'Sig' deck, but its close! In any case you can basically see the specs on my gear page, the 'final' template will be ... just a little snappier!
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toddc's insect 44
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On 1/31/2006
Andy Lee
wrote in from
United States
(71.106.nnn.nnn)
toddc-
I'm looking into a custom insect that sounds pretty close to yours... and I live in Santa Monica... Any chance I could take yours for a test drive some weekend?
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insect 44
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On 1/31/2006 toddc
wrote in from
United States
(68.121.nnn.nnn)
About a year back I had Steve make me a custome 44" big bug-ish deck with a bit of cut-out, and a full sheet of carbon ala the Roe decks.
This was to be my downhill carver, but I have not been riding hills that much, and have been doing more flatland pumping (LA river, SMonica strand) and as I told steve, I think this thing has a "motor" when pumping. Front foot just behind front truck, rear foot about 6-8 inches in front of rear truck. Currently set up with RII 180 (stims) and 72/76 avilas....on the flats I can go forever.
Too big, too long for many, but for me (185 lbs) it works. Just swapped some 70m 83a zig zags onto it - can't wait to see if the smaller, harder wheel works even better.
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Pumping/LDP decks
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On 1/31/2006
Eric
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
James and Erin I am very interested in both the Roe/Insect James Peters LDP deck and the LongBoardLarry LDP deck. I realize that both are influenced by your design input and are based on the custom decks made for both of you by these makers. If either of you can share any info about the new decks it would be great. I imagine they will be similar to James' current top two LDP decks as listed on www.pavedwave.com . If I can't find a suitable production deck I may go with a custom from one of these makers. It seems that a 43" overall length with a 25" to 28" wheelbase with a long, wide nose is about ideal. Al Williams has also mentioned that he has found that basic size to be about ideal for long distance pumping. So it seems to be a virtual consensus.
I'm still considering the Bahne Banshee as a stop gap deck untill I can find or commision a deck like the ones you are talking about. It would serve the same function for me as Erin's Rayne Vice does for her.
Jack Smith - if you should happen to read this I'm very interested in learning more about the camber and flex of the Banshee.
Thanks everyone!
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decks for your first love - LDP'ing!!
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On 1/31/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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James, what good news.... actual LDP decks with LDP'ing in mind for skaters who want to pump long distance....YAY! What a breakthrough!!
Can't wait to see your signature Insect - rock on!!!
Keep us posted...we wait with bated breath for these new decks (like kids the month before Xmas :-) )
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