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skate gear regrets
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On 3/2/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
" Mabie i was a little haisty in selling those 'originals' i HATED so much? "
I hear you Munnch. Isn't it funny that as we progress and change our style we start to discover as aspect of a deck or trucks of wheels that we didn't realize or appreciate earlier? I have done that myself a few times and sadly wished I still had a piece of gear, that at the time I sold it, just didn't seem to suit my skating at all! Crazy.
If you are anything like me, you just want to have the equipment that really seems dialed in and is going to get used a lot. So out go all the bits and pieces that were, in you mind at least, failed experiments. Sigh. I envy those of you that have the space and patience to hold onto gear with the foresight to know that some time down the road it may come in very handy in an application you couldn't have anticipated earlier.
My sadest 'sale' was my Insect Big Bug with is sweet flex and custom grip job. It just felt so heavy and awkward with the high risers necessary to avoid wheelbite on the surf style deck. Now I know that deck would've been a great LDP'er and the height wouldn't have bothered me at all in that style of skating......oh well, live and learn.
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hmmm
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On 3/2/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.137.nnn.nnn)
Well, i'm not sure if ive gone soft enough on the front bushings, i'm still finding the pumping a bid like hard work, the back of the board just rolls really because the angle on the rear truck is not far off horizontal, i did have it with a higher angled wedge, but it rocked so well i would need cut outs in the deck, so went back to this one, the noskoolz are one of my favorite wheels right now, they are very quick with loads of grip, it also carves great, cant help doing big sweeping s carves, swinging my arms and twisting feels great.
Since riding this and the smaller slalom type i made, i've found my old favorite setups just dont cut it anymore, they dont turn quick enough and are more suited to going in straight lines, i never saw myself as a bomber, but i spose i was.
This skumpin has really brought my ability on.
Mabie i was a little haisty in selling those 'originals' i HATED so much?
Loose trucks rock!
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Munchh's latest set up
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On 3/1/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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Munchh, that set up looks and sounds good. Do tell us how it skates.
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Brrrr! Not fair!
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On 2/28/2006 Mr Zogs (Sean C.)
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Good grief! Its freakin freezing...
Or well, maybe its the same as when I left... for Maui and O'ahu...
Well, anywho, I got back from O'ahu today... The North Shore absolutely RULED. Definitely plan on moving there eventually...
Gotta finish up this freakin fibreflex pumping setup! Its killin me to see it sitting there.
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My latest setup.
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On 2/28/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.137.nnn.nnn)
Here is what i am wearing myself out on at the moment:
36" birch ply, its a deck i made that has gone from a 45" down to this with various setups tested on it, hense all the holes, its a good wide platform for any style of riding, this was the prototype for the boards i sold on e-bay, so i love it alot.
Front truck is a 50* RII base plate with a 160mm downhill hanger, wedged high, and ive since fitted kiro's, its got a great angle this way.
Rear is the opposite, 30* downhill baseplate, 180mm RII hanger flipped, de-wedged, standard Randal downhill bushings, it barely turns anymore but rocks real nice.
I using 65mm noskoolz cause they are centre set to keep the width down and because i dont think im anywhere good enough to try bigger yet.
Its really stable and also carves like a dream.
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Wobbly legs!!
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On 2/28/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.137.nnn.nnn)
Al,
you lot make me realise just how far behind i am when you drop milages into the chat. Personally after 2 miles when i step off i tend to want to collapse! But i also know i am possibly the most unfit skumper on the planet right now, my biggest ache is always my feet, if i get in the right position its great and no pain, but if i'm slightly off with my foot placement it hurts like hell real quick, i've also found that i cant wear certain training shoes, my addidas shell toe extreem have a great instep and are great for crusing and carving , but as soon as i pump..ooouch. I've got a pair of big chunky Vans, that are a real solid shoe and the instep is pretty flat, these dont cause me the same trouble??
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LD pumping, and fatigue
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On 2/28/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
One topic not discussed much here is the fatigue that comes after LD pumping. For my part, I was pretty surprised how poorly my legs functioned after doing a multi-mile ride,non-kick and non-stop..about 23kilometers. Even on shorter rides, sometimes when I stop to drink water,or adjust my trucks, my legs can barely function..and it's probably akin to the "sea legs" that sailors get from being in an unstable boat for long periods of time. However, now I know that these wobbly legs are a bit dangerous, because when riding LD there is a tendency to think everything is normal, that is..until you step off the board! So, I think its good to remember, that after various miles pumping the board, if there is a need to make an emergency jump off the board, more than likely your legs aren't going to go exactly where you think they are! I always think of this when I'm doing LD pumps, just to be aware and ready for these unforeseen problems. Any other LD pumpers have anything to say? Or advice?
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Killer parks....again! : )
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On 2/24/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
James, I know what you mean about becoming addicted to the park type riding! When I first started riding a park near San Francisco a couple of years back, I remember riding till I was totally fatigued, to the point where I needed to tell myself "..Hey! Save it for another day! You can easily split your face open on the next run!..so let's stop now while we're still safe and sound!" Anyway, I think all aspects of the sport are great..but I really want to see these transition bowl/snake type parks spring up! It's kind of the fun of skiing without the need for snow! and thats the beauty of skateboarding! It's also why I feel, that when it grows a little more, the 'bigwigs' in the world..the Walt Disney types, are going to figure out that there might be some money to be made in developing much larger parks of this nature....somewhat akin to small ski resorts?
Anyway, we already discussed some of this a while back. However, I always like to think of the future possibilities..because it might someday make them more of a reality! By the way, if you get a chance, you might want to try the DPs at a park! They're great for pumping bowls!
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3-D pumping
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On 2/23/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Al its hard to describe the rush from that weightlessness at the crest of each turn, then compressing at the bottom to pick up speed for the next transition. I'm HOOKED!! I still pumped more between turns, whereas the 3rd skater in that vid (Hughes) reads the bowls, hits the curve perfectly and just shoots straight to the next. This park was like ABC's for him, he's normally tearing up huge gnarly pools and upside-down stuff. It was great to session early in the morning, owned the whole park for a couple hours!!
I don't think you could ever go too huge with the bowls, it just all has to balance out. To make an endless snake/pump park just keep in mind the balance, if you have a deeper pool at one end, like in this park, you gotta make some natural, clean lines to pump back up to the flatter portion -- you see Hughes doing that in this vid as well, and it IS a workout. One thing that will be tricky this year is balancing out the long distance stamina rides, the slalom sprint muscles, and this kind of all-around riding (discovered some new muscles the following day...) but cross-training is always great for keepin it fresh!!
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pumping the park!
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On 2/22/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Yeah man that looks cool,
I just hope the park they are building in my town is half as nice as that one.
It seems like you could keep going as long as your legs will let you, i've been looking for plans of what they are going to do with it, because i'd hate to think its not going to cater for anyone but popsickle kids?
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Great vid!
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On 2/21/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Killer park James! I like how it's possible to transition between bowls, ramps etc. I wish more parks were like this! Seems like you can keep pumping/carving non-stop! Do you think it would be better to have some of the bowls on this type of park a little higher or deeper, or would that ruin the 'flow' of things, and make the transitions more difficult? Just curious if there are height limitations for the bowls and snake type runs on these types of parks?
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GPS + outer space distance boarding
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On 2/18/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Al and Munchh, early morning laps around the lake at -7 degrees Celsius today, I'm starting to think we ARE Aliens, or at least 100% certifiable. My ears and lungs got crispy and I learned just how far Munson and I have diverged on our pumping style over the winter. My front trucks have gotten tighter making hill climbing harder but sprints SO much faster, and Derek's setup was loooooooose and surfy, I could eat up hills on his board but, there's always that high-end speed trade off. Thats the greatest thing about gettin' out and trying out other setups, new discoveries every time.
And now of course I'm completely in geek-out data-crunching heaven with the Garmin GPS device!! Tracking commute and ride mileage is automatic this year. Altitude readings are spotty but the mph, pace charts and aerial maps are killer! I'll be adding future trail rides here as they increase!
Munchh, shot ya a mail, let's talk trucks and all else!
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test stuff
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On 2/18/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
That would be real cool Al,
i've had a quick chat with a local blacksmith myself, he doesn't realy do ali, but like you say anything is possible once the grey matter gets going and I got him thinking, so i'm gonna go back and see him again.
I'd love to have my own mid-track size truck, to go with the 70's style boards i'm messing with at the moment, shame i found G.F.Hurly's site last week, there's always someone getting the jump on, but at least they are not in England?
And yeah cheers, i'll give you a nudge later on man.
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spare parts, odds n ends, etc..
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On 2/18/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
I'm into making all kinds of skate related stuff, my own decks, custom bushings, and yes trucks. I have some friends with an aluminum foundry here and so we make various components for the DP systems. However, I'm not much into selling things..at least for the time being. Butttt... for certain test riders I can sometimes provide parts, depending on availability and time. If you get back to me in a couple of weeks I might be able to drum up some parts...but now I'm real busy with some important R and D. Yes, guys, there are some new things in the works! :)
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Alien?
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On 2/18/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Yeah, i sometimes wonder if there is some truth in what your saying, when i try and emulate what Peters does and find i need muscles in places i just dont have them, but i think thats more to do with my sitting around on my arse for to long, rather than Peters being an skumping E.T.!! hehe
But seriously, do you make yours yourself or is there a company making them?
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Inserts and mortals
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On 2/18/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Peters has some, so, logically speaking..if he's really a mortal...then,yes, it's possible! But then again, he might just be some sort of alien! So I'm not really sure??
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brainstorm
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On 2/17/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
I love how this forum sparks and the cogs turn,
so Al can mere mortals get hold of these inserts??
Hey Peters, check your mail man, need your input!!
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vertebrae DP trucks - smooooove
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On 2/17/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Its surprising how smooooth these trucks carve - What a great analogy to vertebrae of the "spine" Munchh. I'd say they're loose and surfy, but not shaky. And tightening up the bushings tightens up the carves. I've seen other speculations from people who haven't even tried the DP truck system that they might carve like Carver C7's but that swivel/pump is a lot different from the motion on DP's. These give you a similar 'WOW' factor like when you first start carving on Originals -- you start turning a deep carve, and the DP trucks turn another notch deeper!! I'm diggin' em for shredding back and forth over mellow hills and it almost looks like the guy in the Concrete Wave ad is *sliding* on them??
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Munchh Williams
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On 2/17/2006 matze
wrote in from
Germany
(84.161.nnn.nnn)
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Munchh, this looks really cool and funny.
How does it feel under your feet? Is it not to shaky?
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Vertebrea inserts?? uhh,Yup.
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On 2/17/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Yes, Munchh, they are very much like vertebrea! However, I don't think you want a long backbone for a skateboard truck. I actually linked about 15 inserts together one time, in the past, and it had some pretty interesting attributes! If I can ever get the time I want to experiment more with these parts, to see if there are any other possible uses?? I think with the use of some Nitinol wire and a few adaptations to the inserts some sort of functional robotic spine might be possible?? Just ideas...but everythings possible when you start to get creative! :)
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Rear spine!
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On 2/17/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(193.113.nnn.nnn)
Al,
the more i look at that rear truck, the more it looks like 'vertebrae', was that ever in your mind?
and because of that, i can sort of imagine how it would move, very different, like somthing from a James Camren movie!?!?
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yes!...thats more like it!!
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On 2/16/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the help Munchh!
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Got to be easier!
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On 2/16/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Al, hope you dont mind?
Really interesting to see, i've only just started swaping randal hangers!!
Cool man.
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etc..
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On 2/16/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Works on my computer, Munchh.
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How to Pump