|
|
|
| Long Distance Pumping (LDP) (1492 Posts)
|
| Topic |
Info |
|
LDP board lengths
|
|
On 3/14/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Rob if you read back through the pages of this forum you will come across lots of discussion about board length but basically it comes down to 'cadence'. I agree with you that a shorter board is pretty easy to pump but it requires a higher cadence or pump rate compared to a slightly longer deck. Over the km's/miles, this high cadence is tiring, its a bit like going for miles in the granny gear of your bike.
So boards that are a slightly longer version of a slalom type deck seem to provide a more comfortable cadence for the long haul.
I've gone distances on my five foot board, numerous 48 inch decks, once on a TS board and now on my latest 44 inch LDP creation. Proof is in the experience so for sure try different lengths out for yourself. The sport is young, there will probably be different length preferences as more and more long distance skaters emerge but I think generally a longish slalom deck seems optimum for distance pumping at this point in time.
|
|
|
|
|
Why the long boards?
|
|
On 3/14/2006 Rob H.
wrote in from
United States
(199.181.nnn.nnn)
Don't get me wrong, I own alot of longboards, but I made a bit of a realization last night:
I have a nice 48" bamboo setup with Originals, that I like to take on long distance cruises. You can pump the board no problem, but it does take some work to keep the momentum going.
Last night I took my mini/Super TS slalom board out for a cruise. This board is 27 inches long with a tiny, tiny wheelbase (I don't think its even over 14 inches) and setup with RTX/RTS trucks. This board takes almost no effort to pump at all!! Partly I think because I'm standing directly over both the front and back trucks, but also because the board is so small. I can keep the momentum going on this board with very minimal effort. I pumped an incredible distance on it last night, and plan on testing it out on my normal long distance run very soon.
So I was just wondering why it seems you guys choose boards that are a bit on the longer side. Wouldn't smaller be more effective? Or is it strictly a comfort thing with your feet?
|
|
|
|
|
tweeks
|
|
On 3/13/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Right now its tarmac road, so these Krytos are great.
Every time i've changed my setup its made alot of change to how affective my pump is, today i pumped up a slope that i normaly give a push or two to get up, its all down to you crazy kids passing on great info.
I love this Skumping thing, if i've never said it, thanks.
|
|
|
|
|
wheels
|
|
On 3/13/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Wheels depend a lot on the quality of the surface you are pumping on. I have some rough spots and some sections that are booby trapped with pea gravel so the larger soft wheels get me through these spots comfortably and safely.
If you have, however, a smoother route, then 70 mm wheels, medium duro would do the job fine. I tried some Hot Spots for a while and really liked how they accelerated when pumping.
|
|
|
|
|
wedges
|
|
On 3/13/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Fare enough,
so if i'm going to spend money on wheels, Avilas are the way? I put some 70mm route 70 kryps on which are my favorite for speeding up slow hills, real nice roll, I hope it stays dry for a while, but i think i'm going to use a cross trainer to get my cardio back.
|
|
|
|
|
look again
|
|
On 3/13/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Look closely Munchh, the Carvers are indeed handsomely wedged on the front and dewedged on the rear. Go for as much turniness as you can, I say!
The Sandpiper has a choice of three wb's and right now I'm running the board on the middle set which is at about 29 inches.
|
|
|
|
|
lovely curves.
|
|
On 3/13/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Looks sweet,
nice to see the carvers set up without wedges, they must be really good?
Finaly got out on mine today, just a quick go again, cant wait till i have some time to really give it a go, i see you have a foot stop, i couldn't beleive how it changed my pump, i found that i didn't put as much downward force on my front foot, so i was using even more energy on the pump itself.
Not having to worry about sliding to far foward was really nice, but it was the extra width that made the most difference, my deck is 9 1/2" across, i've kept the wheel base at 28", mainly because when i stood on the deck it flexed quite alot (its flat birch ply), but as my front foot is over the front truck, i dont actualy put all my weight in between the trucks, so could probably make it longer?
What WB are you guys riding? And does it make alot of difference?
I should get some glue and press this wood thats been sitting here for far too long!
|
|
|
|
|
more 'piper
|
|
On 3/13/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
and a couple more...
|
|
|
|
|
Sandpiper pix
|
|
On 3/13/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Here;s a few pic of the Sandpiper all set up and ready to go the distance:
|
|
|
|
|
its all about the gear!
|
|
On 3/13/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Finally my dream long distance pumping set up has come together! And what a difference gear can make. I just got back from an 11 km pump. Wow so sweet, so graceful, so much less effort than on the other set ups I have tried.
I knew I was onto something when I collected the CX's and Avilas that James spoke so highly of and they did give me a good taste for efficient pumping. But the new deck by LBL is the icing on the cake. The board's shape and flex bring the whole experience to a peak.
I just love the feel of a long sustained no-touch skate. It is just so graceful amd magical. With the my ipod filling my head with good skate rhythms I can go till my body finally starts to tire. What a great feeling!
Now there are no excuses, I need to work on technique and endurance....and what fun it will be to reach for those goals.
|
|
|
|
|
Munchh
|
|
On 3/10/2006
SamG
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.153.nnn.nnn)
Do check out the UK forum. There's an informal slalom bash at Hillingdon on Saturday 25th March for beginners and competent skaters alike. It's basically an excuse for a few of the UK bunch to shake off the Winter and shoot the breeze.
The circuit would be the perfect place to test out your pumping creations and I'm sure that all would like a quick gander at what you've put together.
If the weather kicks in, then it's a perfect place for curry and shop talk. It's right on the doorstep of Southall, just by Heathrow (check the UKSSA forum). Those guys should know a bit about Balti!
Sam
|
|
|
|
|
Sandpiper review
|
|
On 3/9/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
http://www_silverfishlongboarding_com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23447
I've just posted a review of Larry's Sandpiper over at Silverfish in case anyone's interested.
Al, those are some sweet looking decks you've got there. I like the lines of the boards.
|
|
|
|
|
minis
|
|
On 3/9/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
They look great,
love the minis, i'm messing with some new shapes for 24-26".
I think if you are making decks for yourself, as long as you get on with it the wood doesn't matter too much, but i know what you mean, some of mine i wouldn't think anyone would buy, but i like them.
|
|
|
|
|
Some of my pumpin decks
|
|
On 3/9/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
All but the lower two of these were custom made, here in the DR. The largest is 43" the smallest, 25". All the custom boards were made from Marine grade plywood imported from Brazil. I don't exactly know the composition of the wood, but the vaneer is very tight, strong and flexible. I used epoxy resin and a clamp mold to make the cambers and tails. Though the deck wood is probably not marketable in the US, I have found it to be very comfortable for LD pumping!
|
|
|
|
|
The LDP shape...
|
|
On 3/8/2006 silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
Uncanny indeed!
It seems that everyone is gravitating toward that basic shape and size as the ideal LDP pumping deck.
James any updates on your new Roe and LBL LDP designs?
Are they similar to or different from Erin and Munchh's decks?
Munchh and Erin I'd like to see those boards set up and hear about how they ride.
Al I'd like to see a picture of your deck where we can see the shape a bit better. Like a top shot or something. I like the other pic you posted on SF and here, but I couldn't get a good feel for the shape.
I had a nice hour long pump session yesterday. Fun, cramped up my front foot to the point of being barely able to walk.
|
|
|
|
|
On a toe stop vibe....!
|
|
On 3/7/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Heres a simple fix,
I used a 7mm socket (that i know i will need now i've done this) and a pan head bolt that used to hold a lapper on an old pig (2" / 60mm).
It does the job, i thought the whole 4" long nose thing was a bit nuts, but i know now its the way to go, so this might save me a few knocks on the chin??
Hey SS,
yeah its a wide version of a shape i've been using a while, uncanny, right!!
|
|
|
|
|
LDP Decks...
|
|
On 3/7/2006
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
Erin I love the LBL! It's gonna be a sweeet ride!
I can't wait to see pics of it set up.
Munchh your deck looks awesome too!
Did you come up with that on your own or is it inspired by Erin's board?
James I'm looking forward to seeing your new Roe and LBL LDP decks!
Al if the posters name is in blue if you put your cursor on it their e mail address will appear at the bottom of your computer screen.
BTW how's everone doing? I've got sun and dry roads today!
The only bad thing is the sand, but I'm going pumping today!
Yeah!
|
|
|
|
|
AW E-mail for Munchh
|
|
On 3/6/2006
Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Munchh, I don't have your E-mail address, so you can send me one and I'll respond. Thanks!
Al awlms@hotmail.com
|
|
|
|
|
Calling 'Al Williams!'
|
|
On 3/6/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Shoot me a mail please mate.
Cheers.
|
|
|
|
|
'best' LDP shape(s)
|
|
On 3/6/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Haha - its true Munchh, much can get lost in translation in the rapid-fire banter over the ethernet. Chaput's 'loaded deck' was referring ONLY to my video, and its over-abundance of CUTENESS (which was of course, my intent.) The contents being girls, skateboards, puppies, and Herb Alperts Tijuana Brass - all comprising some of the best memories of my childhood!!
As for decks, for skumping it makes perfect sense that clear across the world the best shapes evolve with uncanny similarity. Its always been my hope that the RoeRacing designed boards' evolution on my 'gear' page have exactly that influence and effect. To me the design of these decks is (mostly) an open book. I get hundreds of eyeballs every day on my pages that focus on LDP and on the 'gear' -- I just hope more people jump into the discussion, leave comments, etc...particuarly those who start pumping distances as well!!
One of the reasons I moved to a "Comet"-like shape very early on (fat in the nose and taper to the tail) was primarily my nose-centric stance, and yet I still needed longer wheelbase (28"+) for a distance cadence that matches the miles-long ride. Besides, I've always liked the aesthetic of nose-riding surfboards, and cutaways and tapers at the tail that imply a little more sportiness and speed.
Still, all that said, there are several pump stances and strategies, riders differ greatly in preferences. Take a cue from slalom -- Roe makes Bottle Rockets, S-camber cutaways, and decks that are wide from nose to tail, stiff to flexy. While the 'Comet' is so far my best shape, I'd expect skumping decks to have many variants someday!!
|
|
|
|
|
loaded deck
|
|
On 3/6/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.138.nnn.nnn)
I'm sure you know that a 'loaded deck' can also imply cheating?
Sorry for being paranoid, its normaly far past my bedtime when i first see your posts.
|
|
|
|
|
hahaha
|
|
On 3/6/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.138.nnn.nnn)
Sorry for being a bit thick, the crossover of some sayings dont quite translate, i'm sure i have used phrases in the past that you guys and girls have not really got??
I'm pretty amazed that with the amount of miles between us, that 2 decks could be so similar, although i think the art of skumping was always going to need one dailed in shape?
Hey Peters, how about that oak veneer, that would be the biz!
|
|
|
|
|
Figure of Speech
|
|
On 3/5/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
A "loaded deck" is an expression used to describe something that promises good things, such a deck of cards that you get to control. I understand that "deck" can be misleading. Same thing with "loaded".
|
|
|
|
|
Flatwave
|
|
On 3/5/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
munchh, keep us posted on your plans with that prototype - great shape, looks like there's a trend here! Maybe with a darker stain and your artsy griptape cuts like on your other decks, you could chop out a few - this could go a long way to getting a few more skumpers up on your boards over there!!
|
|
|
|
|
Just like flying?
|
|
On 3/5/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.138.nnn.nnn)
The girls have got it down,
i remember that feeling.
Wicked.
|
|
|
|
|
How to Pump