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Bringing it to the masses....
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On 3/23/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey Oldstoke,
anyone would be crazy to point you anywhere other than this direction..
Click here for link
Pavedwave has everything including video of the guys making it look easy, as a newbie i can tell you its different from anything i've done up till now.
The bottom line would be, a super giant slalom type deck, with 'loose' front truck, using traction in a similar way to that you would riding skates or skis, only with one boot!
My Skumping page will give you the basics Click here for link, but all i know i learn't from these guys and gals.
Come get in the groove.
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Pumping/Skumping 101
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On 3/23/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
I was refered here from a Silverfish poster when I asked for information on boards to use for cruising distances on flat terrain. I'm used to pushing/scooting/"Skogging", whatever you want to call it, but this pumping/skumping still has me mystified. What exactly is it you guys are doing?
I'm a bicyclist and in-line skater that has been riding a longboard for a few years now and enjoying it much more than the other activities, and would like to find out more about this sport. You guys actually have a technique that keeps you cruising without putting a foot down? Where can I find out the basics?
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Erin
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On 3/23/2006
Gareth
wrote in from
United States
(216.210.nnn.nnn)
Erin-
You really need to make the trek south to Seattle and come ride with us! We don't bite. There is such a great group of skaters in the Seattle area that run cones on a regular basis and we are always looking for new faces to join our sessions - all ages and abilities welcome. It's a ton of fun and a good work-out as well.
And besides, where else can you play "guess what new board john Stryker has in his trunk," see all the crazy trucks that James has in his quiver, listen to tales about pumping 12 plus miles to work and back without putting your foot on the ground, ride new proto-types from RR, AND get excellent slalom coaching tips from Michael Dong and Brad Jackman - all in one spot.
So, grab Jeff Bonney and the other BC Coneheads and come on down for the day!
Hope to see you soon!
Gareth
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slalom
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On 3/23/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey Erin
I feel just the same about this thing at the weekend, i've not gone through cones ever!
The kids are gonna make me look silly!!
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temptor!
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On 3/23/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Ah, so tempting, so very tempting James!!! the board, the skate invite, the slalom....
....but I must wait till I have some semblence of a cone skater before I go public down south with the big guns all round. I must admit to being a wee bit intimidated by your slalom pals and a wee bit embarassed by my lack of skill. I'm skating cones like mad so hopefully some time soon I will be fit to be seen on a slalom hill with REAL slalom skaters.....LOL
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pumpilicious concave
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On 3/23/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Guess this might answer both munchh's and ryan's Q's-- real smoooth and gradual concave pumps best for me, the LBL's got no camber but a nice gradual concave pocket, and the Roe deck's just slightly cambered with after-market PPS wedges for concave. And yeah the flames DO make the LBL move faster, I swear!! or maybe its the Gummies? Will get some impressions up soon but Airin if you just drive south a couple hours we could slalom this Sunday and I tell you in person! ;-)
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Concave on pumping decks
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On 3/22/2006
Ryan
wrote in from
United States
(69.181.nnn.nnn)
Does anyone value concave on their pumping deck? If so, do you like it shallow or deep or concentrated over the front foot like a spoon?
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perpetual motion?
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On 3/19/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
The more i look at it the more it looks like its moving!!
It might be the flames but its a very organic feeling?
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Comet looks blazing!
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On 3/19/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
wow James, that's a pretty sweet, 'just back from Micky land' post! You drop the Comet right on our laps. That board looks like a total blazing machine. Sheesh, awesome job on the design by you and the craftsmanship by Larry.
Ohhh, and then you tease you tell us you are setting it up with the new pink gummies.....ahhhhh, I can't stand it!! Too good to be true.
We'll be waiting for more pix and a ride report fo shore!!!
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zimmers
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On 3/19/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
I've just had too long on my bum and at making decks, not enough riding in the last year.
So Sam, have you got a skumping setup? And if so are you bringing it? I've got two decks set up to bring with me, not pefect, but they give the feel of what its about i hope. Would be good to swap notes.
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Help the aged
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On 3/19/2006 SamG
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.153.nnn.nnn)
What mid-life crisis? UK slalom boys all drive custom-built, triple-butted, carbon-tubed zimmers. It's their kids you have to watch out for!
And I'm originally from East Grinstead. Soft fruit anyone?
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Dig that cutout!
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On 3/19/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Its a good idea James, love what Larrys done, is it flat?
Hope Mickey looked after you.
SamG,
I will probly be the bloke with his jaw on the floor, when i see all the toys everyone has with them, as for wheels, this will be my 1st time even trying slalom, so i'm more interested in someone who is actually good at it, trying my slalom setup and letting me know if it goes as good as it looks!
Looking forward to meeting people in the know, its quite nice to find something to be excited about, now i'm soooo old, hehehehe.
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LBL LDP 'Comet' Shape
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On 3/19/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
77mm Pink Gummies (on the way from Sk8kings) will soon be hooked up to my LBL prototype 'Comet' cutaway shape -- nearly the same shape as the upcoming Roe LDP deck! Larry really nailed it for me on a couple of decks now, always love his craftsmanship and artistic touches.
Its cool to see you're finding sessions there in the UK Munchh!! Just back myself from a killer sunny north Seattle cone-killin fest, one TS and an easier Hybrid. Jump at every chance to session - esp. in our sketchier climates (unlike those spoiled southern Californians!!)
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Munchh/ Hillingdon
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On 3/19/2006
SamG
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.153.nnn.nnn)
Munchh, just caught you post. If you can make it to Hillingdon on Saturday then it'll be worth saving a decision on wheel choice until then. Michael Stride of Octane Sport is helping sort out the afternoon, so he should have a few different wheelsets to try out. Top of the list for you should be the 70mm Retro Zig Zags. These are both super-boingy comfortable and fast. Avilas are a great super G wheel that'll roll over everything, but respond better with a bit of pace. Because of their size, turns will be more gentle, but they'll sure keep their roll speed!
By the way, I'll probably be the guy with the dodgy stopwatch, swearing to God that it's my turn for a go, looking nervously up at heavily-laden storm clouds and crying about start ramps and timing systems. Oh, and the incredibly strong breeze sending would-be racers backwards!
By the way, do check out the posting on the UKSSA forum.
Sam
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pumping deck
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On 3/17/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Hey Ryan,
I dont know alot about 'off the shelf' decks for pumping, but there is more info than anywhere else on Pavedwave's 'gear' page. Hope this helps.
Click here for link
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Gravity DT for flatland pumping?
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On 3/15/2006
Ryan
wrote in from
United States
(69.181.nnn.nnn)
I'm trying to find a good (pumping deck) home for my carver cx trucks. I'd like to keep it under 38" with a 21-25" wheelbase, and think kicktails are nice. I had these trucks on a LY dragon and want something shorter and flexier. I'm also considering a proflex 36" and a skaterbuilt timewarp.
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more wheels
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On 3/15/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
And there was me thinking the mid duro's were what everyone was using?
I have some 72a 70's flashbacks, they the favorite wheel I have, i'll put them on anything, from my retro mini's to my carving setups, but i have never yet put them on a skumping deck.
This is mainly because i'm using the 160 downhill hangers and they would make the track pretty wide, but the route 70's i used today, were hard work! Its crazy the way this thing has changed my opinion of alot of my gear, i spose its because this is all the riding i'm doing at the minute, although i just dont seem to get it, sometimes it just feels wrong, then earlier i found myself speeding along?
All in all i'm hurting in places i forgot were there and that just pushes me to keep going.
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split duros
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On 3/14/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Munchh I am running 72a Avilas on the rear and 74a on the front. Same size wheels.
In slalom the split duros are a big help in giving the rear traction while still keeping the front as fast as possible. I find in LDP'ing the split duros are not really as necessary but I got the Avilas used from a sweet lad on the Silverfish forum for a very good price and the split duros was what he had.
James, have fun with Mickie and the gang...don't worry about us skating in the sunshine every day, going for big pump rides on new boards and running cones, naw, don't you worry......ha, ha, ha......
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Wheels
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On 3/14/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Hey Peters,
give my regards to Minnie! hehe.
Erin, i'm asuming the wheels your using are softer on the back, but are the front ones smaller??
I know slalom set-ups use a do something similar, but what does it do for your skumping?
Sam G,
its looking good for the 25th, i'm just trying to see how many set-ups i can put together so anyone whos fancies can have a go, would be great to get some more doing it, i take it you are already?
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wheelbase on LDP
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On 3/14/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(172.198.nnn.nnn)
Hey Rob, my buddy wrote something up a couple years back on the idea of cadence after some lengthy discussion on why it seemed less tiring on longer decks. At that time we found a 44" wheelbase had a great, deep gear that you'd hit only after getting the board up to 10mph+ speeds (60" length flexdex, but WB is actually the key here...) That story is here. But after moving to snappier, thinner boards we essentially ended up at the "super giant slalom" sized deck and setups (Roe/LBL). Also if the trail is primarily UPhill, a 22"-26" wheelbase actually works great, however if there's a lot of flat and some decline, IMHO a wheelbase around 27"-31" allows more long-stride cruising gears.
Cool to see the discussion percolating! I'm on vacation in Mickey-land at present but its hard to sneak a skateboard on the grounds...
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LDP board lengths
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On 3/14/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Rob if you read back through the pages of this forum you will come across lots of discussion about board length but basically it comes down to 'cadence'. I agree with you that a shorter board is pretty easy to pump but it requires a higher cadence or pump rate compared to a slightly longer deck. Over the km's/miles, this high cadence is tiring, its a bit like going for miles in the granny gear of your bike.
So boards that are a slightly longer version of a slalom type deck seem to provide a more comfortable cadence for the long haul.
I've gone distances on my five foot board, numerous 48 inch decks, once on a TS board and now on my latest 44 inch LDP creation. Proof is in the experience so for sure try different lengths out for yourself. The sport is young, there will probably be different length preferences as more and more long distance skaters emerge but I think generally a longish slalom deck seems optimum for distance pumping at this point in time.
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Why the long boards?
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On 3/14/2006 Rob H.
wrote in from
United States
(199.181.nnn.nnn)
Don't get me wrong, I own alot of longboards, but I made a bit of a realization last night:
I have a nice 48" bamboo setup with Originals, that I like to take on long distance cruises. You can pump the board no problem, but it does take some work to keep the momentum going.
Last night I took my mini/Super TS slalom board out for a cruise. This board is 27 inches long with a tiny, tiny wheelbase (I don't think its even over 14 inches) and setup with RTX/RTS trucks. This board takes almost no effort to pump at all!! Partly I think because I'm standing directly over both the front and back trucks, but also because the board is so small. I can keep the momentum going on this board with very minimal effort. I pumped an incredible distance on it last night, and plan on testing it out on my normal long distance run very soon.
So I was just wondering why it seems you guys choose boards that are a bit on the longer side. Wouldn't smaller be more effective? Or is it strictly a comfort thing with your feet?
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tweeks
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On 3/13/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Right now its tarmac road, so these Krytos are great.
Every time i've changed my setup its made alot of change to how affective my pump is, today i pumped up a slope that i normaly give a push or two to get up, its all down to you crazy kids passing on great info.
I love this Skumping thing, if i've never said it, thanks.
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wheels
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On 3/13/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Wheels depend a lot on the quality of the surface you are pumping on. I have some rough spots and some sections that are booby trapped with pea gravel so the larger soft wheels get me through these spots comfortably and safely.
If you have, however, a smoother route, then 70 mm wheels, medium duro would do the job fine. I tried some Hot Spots for a while and really liked how they accelerated when pumping.
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wedges
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On 3/13/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Fare enough,
so if i'm going to spend money on wheels, Avilas are the way? I put some 70mm route 70 kryps on which are my favorite for speeding up slow hills, real nice roll, I hope it stays dry for a while, but i think i'm going to use a cross trainer to get my cardio back.
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How to Pump