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lemon-lime
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On 3/29/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
That's right Munchh, lemon 83a on the front, lime 80a on the rear.
It was thanks to the skaters on the 'fish that I went with the lemon/lime not the lime/red I was first considering. I thought that the 83a/80a duros would be too fast for me but in fact they are nice and fast but still amazingly sticky. Even a fairly inexperienced skater like me can tell the difference between this reflex 'thane and that of other slalom wheels.
Am loving the retros for sure and now have my sights on some 77a Pink Reflex Gumballs - they ought to be HOT, HOT, HOT!!!!
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zig zags
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On 3/29/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Hey Erin,
Are the lemon on the front lime on the back?
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Adam
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On 3/29/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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Adam, glad to know I'm close to a pro set up! Lucky guesswork by a newb such as myself.
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Math
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On 3/28/2006
Pat Chewning
wrote in from
United States
(67.189.nnn.nnn)
Tania wrote: What is 34,802 feet per second divided by 176 feet per second times 120 MPH
ANSWER: 34,802 feet per second. (Because 176fps = 120 MPH)
It is also: 23,728 miles per hour
Approx one trip around the earth per hour.
What is the point?
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Erin!
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On 3/28/2006
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(64.81.nnn.nnn)
LOVING that rocker setup! The toeblock.. the Limeys.. the risers! You're one pair of Seismic trucks away from my own pumping setup. If you ever get the opportunity, run ultra light springs up front, one or two levels stiffer at rear.. then hang on for dear life.
p.s. Geezer-X's 8mm axled Seismics are the only way to fly.
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LBL slalom stoke
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On 3/28/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Whoah James, coaching from Michael Dong! No wonder your skumping times are so fast!
And yeah what a great way to keep fit. I always have felt that the best way to keep fit is to do something you love and have the fitness just follow as an afterthought, a fringe benefit of having fun, as it were!
Well my Sandpiper has had some tough competition from its little sister the new LBL slalom deck in the past few weeks. I have been trying out this little rockered ripper by Larry and becoming more and more enamoured with it. My feet just lock in thanks to the rocker and the design and dimensions are really working for me.
Here's a couple of pix....
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meditative pump
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On 3/28/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Well Erin I may just be picking up a unicycle again, one of my coworkers commuted on his almost every day to work, even in the snow!? reading a book on his left hand and clipping overhanging branches with his right hand -- quite a sight! Sounds like something that could lock you into that same meditative 'groove', spawning great new thoughts that make the world a better place ;-)
That's why my commute times are much quicker than casual summer pumps on the boardwalk of Alki or Greenlake. Pumping the commute is focused, almost purpose-driven, and after having hit the course many times, just compelled to improve on the efficiencies both in form and in gear. Actually with the combination of Cyber, Michael Dong's been coaching and helped me discover which of my pump sides is least efficient. He's also been one of the few pros I've talked with at length on skumping and quickly recognized why we've developed a different, minimal pump style for long distance -- basically, conservation of energy! The aerobic fitness from all this makes casual weekend or evening pump excursions effortless, weekend cruises with the bros are still the best, we even stop at the Redhook Brewery off the trail sometimes mid-ride, then it really gets challenging afterward ;-)
Probably what I like most on the LBL is that very mellow and wide concave pocket up front for subtle adjustments in the pump -- both when at the fastest cruising speed, just barely pumping back and forth, and for going up hills. Munson and I talked recently about some of the trickier inclines he's conquered (he's still got that part locked better than I) and reading/adjusting to find the most gradual lines uphill.
My other LBL is closer to your Sandpiper shape though, and I still like its camber peak just behind the front foot- you can step right over it to crank up the speed whenever you feel the need, that board's got rebound! Dying to hear how your distance pumps have been going on the Sandpiper as well!
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cruising speeds
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On 3/27/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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Whoah, pretty fast cruising speeds there James! The 16 kmph is usually my cruising speed on my 29 inch wheel unicycle...hey we'd be a perfect match....ha, ha, ha.....
As for the cruising speed on my LDP'er, I can't say I'm anywhere near that fast yet. Something to work towards though.
So what are you liking most about your LBL proto board?
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Math
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On 3/27/2006 tania
wrote in from
United States
(167.23.nnn.nnn)
What is 34,802 feet per second divided by 176 feet per second times 120 MPH
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commute speed
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On 3/27/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Yeah, was so jazzed on the LBL proto last week, put more miles than I normally would this early in the season. Pouring rain one day but just had to try out the new wheelz!
GPS points to a cruise speed hovering right around 10-11 mph, gotta do the push v. pump on the 12.5 miler sometime! The 2.8 milers in there are GreenLake laps with a buddy, lot of stop and go and just chillin -- the "other" side of skumping which is just pure kickin' back and enjoying the scenery. Alki beach and GreenLake are Seattle's best for that...
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wedges
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On 3/26/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey eagle eye!
U got it, its the only thing i want to change that front wedge. Mid tracks aie, really tight, the difference those wheels made is amaizing, the guys all practice a way away from me, but it doesn't stop me getting on it in my hood and when i can i'll get up to where they practice.
Its weird how my quiver is on its way to exactly how i wanted it, slalom, carving and bombing, there are a few carving decks, but alot of them are looking more and more redundant, but like i've said before, thats the life of a prototype! I've just marked one out for a reshape, its gonna be a GS/mid skump 36", its been reshaped twice already, so its certainly served its purpose?
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munchh mini pump deck
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On 3/26/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
sweet shape Munchh! the beginnings of becoming a bonafide gear junkie ;-) Might later increase the front angle with another riser, even more turniness for tighter courses - I've been running 85mm tracker mid-tracks double-wedged up front after taking a few turns on Jackman's AXE. Those racetracks will fit most anything from TS to GS. How often do the local bros do practice sessions? Best thing is ya got out there and hit it!
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Mini pumper!
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On 3/26/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
After going to the 'wasteland classic' race knowing nothing about slalom, 3 hours of trying to run cones, asking newbie q's and getting great pointers, i came home alot wiser and with a new set up that works.
28" x 8 3/4" birch ply, Tracker racetracks and those lovely 80a 66mm zig-zags (CC u did it again!), i made the deck a year ago and finaly decided not to mess about trying to use nearly good enough wheels and trucks.
So as i have no cones its a mini skumper, what fun, next time i might make it through all the cones and actualy clock a time??
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77a 76mm!
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On 3/25/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
hey julian, thanks for the notes - i've been testing 77mm Strikers on the Roe so I'm getting my data confused! Indeed, the Gummies are 77a 76mm (they FEEL like 85mm!!) and -- you've got a good eye on the trucks. The front is the 3rd gen. SplitFire narrow at 110mm and the rear is 1st gen. SplitFire wide at 127mm. Even a wide front wouldn't make it out to match the 10" width deck at the nose, but I still like the ability to crank faster pumps out of the narrower hangars - easier to climb hills. Still, I might just have to buy another front in the wide format, Gary will be pleased ;-) As long as you don't step out too far you won't tip the deck, that takes a little getting used to but I've been on an AXE lately with 85mm midtracks so the feel is similar. My bias is probably obvious - to stick with the 150s...be great to see your new setup once its dialed!
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corrections
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On 3/25/2006
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(24.60.nnn.nnn)
The retro gummies use the same mold as the normal gummies (76mm) but are 77a in terms of duro
The front truck on Peters board is a 3rd gen splitfire truck I believe and the back one is one of the 1st gen RTX baseplated ones.
How wide are the Splitfires w/ the gummies on them, do they reach the edge of the deck?
I have some Avilas and R2 150s on a 45x10 homebuilt and they barely reach the edge of the deck: should i stick with the 150s or move up to the 180s?
Right now I'm just running a 10deg wedge with an 1/8 in riser underneath but might jack the board up a bit more to get more leverage and be able to run super loose trucks. I'll get some pics up when the board gets properly finished (needs varnish, art and grip still)
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Front Truck
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On 3/25/2006
Mark
wrote in from
United States
(68.191.nnn.nnn)
Hey James --- what is that front truck on your LBL?
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pink gummies
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On 3/24/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
ohhhhh, those pink gummies look soooooo yummy !!
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oh yeah -
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On 3/24/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Foot placement - for me, usually on top of the truck, and slide it back sometimes when in 'cruise mode.' I ride standard and put a toe stop on the upper left truck hole...
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skump 'how to'
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On 3/24/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Stoke, that's a perfect cross-over, going from biking and blading, to this! Having the distance mentality is really more key than anything else. The essence of skumping is taking pumping basics, and pushing them farther than before. Its resulted in a couple other pump techniques/discoveries that minimize motion and conserve for the longer rides, pumps like "shadow boxing" or "rocking the baby" -- and more slalom-like pumps whether you're sprinting to prep for a hill or flying down a nice downhill slope. Foot placement can vary, even switch stance pump (tricky but do-able!!) I end up chatting with bikers and bladers a lot more these days on the trails as I'm riding, they used to say it looked "hard" but now they talk about how smooth and fast we're going...guess that means we're gettin' better!
I've been tinkering with a "how-to" page for some time and hope to get that up soon. Of the "old" vids, only Skumping #3 has us on more of the latest equipment, with larger wheels and trucks that make the pumping more effortless. Now have been playing with this LBL prototype, with 77mm Retro-thane gummies, yowza is it quick!! Was usually riding in the 70-75mm range, now bumpin' it up again. The main thing is to pick a duro that matches the quality of the trail, Erin and I still like the soft 72a 75mm Avilas to cover all trail conditions, and now I'm diggin' the roll speed on these 75a 77's, especially when it smoothes out.
Note how the board defies gravity...
Church of Cyber Sunday morning Erin, just in case! ;-)
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Quick setup
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On 3/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
This is how mine stands at the moment,
70mm 72a flashbacks, they are much nicer than the 78a's and 65mm wheels i've tried, but it all depends on the terrain, but bigger the softer is my rule now.
I've got a 4" nose and my foot is over the truck with a stop on the front right truck bolt, most people seem to do this, so i borrowed the idea and it made great sence.
The only reason for the long nose in my opinion is that it means you are using the widest part of the deck for greater leverage, but i think you could have a deck that was square at the front, with the truck right on the nose as long as its as wide as you need it?? Although without a foot stop it would be suicide!! Mine is 9 1/2" at widest point.
Click here for link If you look at the page before this one, there are some great pics of Erin's deck all set up with the best goodies (dont get much better than that).
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saw the skump!
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On 3/24/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
I finaly viewed the videos, and now I get it! I'll check out the pumping and skumping info, and try it out tomorrow, but for now, is there a concensus on what size and type wheels skump best? Is a longer nose helpfull? How far ahead of the truck is the ideal foot placement?
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irresistible offer!
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On 3/23/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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Thanks to you Gareth, James and Stryker and all the Seattle crew for making us feel so welcome to join you guys in the cone addiction. Clearly that's nothing left for a girl to do but to sell her home and move down to join you guys!!!!
Well ok, short of moving to Seattle, I shall see what I can do about rounding up a Vancouver posse, with Jeffb at the lead, for a cross border sesh some time soon.
In the meantime we'll double our efforts to collect some converts and preach the cone way to life to the locals.
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vids
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On 3/23/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Oldstoke,
did you check the vids on the 'images' page on pavedwave?
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Erin.... Come on Down!
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On 3/23/2006
Stryker
wrote in from
United States
(71.112.nnn.nnn)
Erin,
I second what Gareth said. It will be a very good experience for you to see what scene we have going down here. I always bring an extra deck for newbies to ride.Not to mention a new deck or two from my collection. Everyone is there to help each other out with set ups and coaching.
If the weather is good we practice at North Seattle Comm. Coll. if it's bad... James has a private parking Garage for us to use. So Come on Down! Bring some friends.
See Ya. John
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skump
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On 3/23/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
I checked out both links, but I guess I've still got to see it done to understand the technique. How fast are you guys compared to skoggers?
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How to Pump