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On 3/27/2006 tania
wrote in from
United States
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What is 34,802 feet per second divided by 176 feet per second times 120 MPH
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commute speed
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On 3/27/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Yeah, was so jazzed on the LBL proto last week, put more miles than I normally would this early in the season. Pouring rain one day but just had to try out the new wheelz!
GPS points to a cruise speed hovering right around 10-11 mph, gotta do the push v. pump on the 12.5 miler sometime! The 2.8 milers in there are GreenLake laps with a buddy, lot of stop and go and just chillin -- the "other" side of skumping which is just pure kickin' back and enjoying the scenery. Alki beach and GreenLake are Seattle's best for that...
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wedges
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On 3/26/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey eagle eye!
U got it, its the only thing i want to change that front wedge. Mid tracks aie, really tight, the difference those wheels made is amaizing, the guys all practice a way away from me, but it doesn't stop me getting on it in my hood and when i can i'll get up to where they practice.
Its weird how my quiver is on its way to exactly how i wanted it, slalom, carving and bombing, there are a few carving decks, but alot of them are looking more and more redundant, but like i've said before, thats the life of a prototype! I've just marked one out for a reshape, its gonna be a GS/mid skump 36", its been reshaped twice already, so its certainly served its purpose?
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munchh mini pump deck
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On 3/26/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
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sweet shape Munchh! the beginnings of becoming a bonafide gear junkie ;-) Might later increase the front angle with another riser, even more turniness for tighter courses - I've been running 85mm tracker mid-tracks double-wedged up front after taking a few turns on Jackman's AXE. Those racetracks will fit most anything from TS to GS. How often do the local bros do practice sessions? Best thing is ya got out there and hit it!
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Mini pumper!
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On 3/26/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
After going to the 'wasteland classic' race knowing nothing about slalom, 3 hours of trying to run cones, asking newbie q's and getting great pointers, i came home alot wiser and with a new set up that works.
28" x 8 3/4" birch ply, Tracker racetracks and those lovely 80a 66mm zig-zags (CC u did it again!), i made the deck a year ago and finaly decided not to mess about trying to use nearly good enough wheels and trucks.
So as i have no cones its a mini skumper, what fun, next time i might make it through all the cones and actualy clock a time??
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77a 76mm!
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On 3/25/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
hey julian, thanks for the notes - i've been testing 77mm Strikers on the Roe so I'm getting my data confused! Indeed, the Gummies are 77a 76mm (they FEEL like 85mm!!) and -- you've got a good eye on the trucks. The front is the 3rd gen. SplitFire narrow at 110mm and the rear is 1st gen. SplitFire wide at 127mm. Even a wide front wouldn't make it out to match the 10" width deck at the nose, but I still like the ability to crank faster pumps out of the narrower hangars - easier to climb hills. Still, I might just have to buy another front in the wide format, Gary will be pleased ;-) As long as you don't step out too far you won't tip the deck, that takes a little getting used to but I've been on an AXE lately with 85mm midtracks so the feel is similar. My bias is probably obvious - to stick with the 150s...be great to see your new setup once its dialed!
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corrections
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On 3/25/2006
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(24.60.nnn.nnn)
The retro gummies use the same mold as the normal gummies (76mm) but are 77a in terms of duro
The front truck on Peters board is a 3rd gen splitfire truck I believe and the back one is one of the 1st gen RTX baseplated ones.
How wide are the Splitfires w/ the gummies on them, do they reach the edge of the deck?
I have some Avilas and R2 150s on a 45x10 homebuilt and they barely reach the edge of the deck: should i stick with the 150s or move up to the 180s?
Right now I'm just running a 10deg wedge with an 1/8 in riser underneath but might jack the board up a bit more to get more leverage and be able to run super loose trucks. I'll get some pics up when the board gets properly finished (needs varnish, art and grip still)
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Front Truck
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On 3/25/2006
Mark
wrote in from
United States
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Hey James --- what is that front truck on your LBL?
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pink gummies
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On 3/24/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
ohhhhh, those pink gummies look soooooo yummy !!
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oh yeah -
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On 3/24/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Foot placement - for me, usually on top of the truck, and slide it back sometimes when in 'cruise mode.' I ride standard and put a toe stop on the upper left truck hole...
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skump 'how to'
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On 3/24/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Stoke, that's a perfect cross-over, going from biking and blading, to this! Having the distance mentality is really more key than anything else. The essence of skumping is taking pumping basics, and pushing them farther than before. Its resulted in a couple other pump techniques/discoveries that minimize motion and conserve for the longer rides, pumps like "shadow boxing" or "rocking the baby" -- and more slalom-like pumps whether you're sprinting to prep for a hill or flying down a nice downhill slope. Foot placement can vary, even switch stance pump (tricky but do-able!!) I end up chatting with bikers and bladers a lot more these days on the trails as I'm riding, they used to say it looked "hard" but now they talk about how smooth and fast we're going...guess that means we're gettin' better!
I've been tinkering with a "how-to" page for some time and hope to get that up soon. Of the "old" vids, only Skumping #3 has us on more of the latest equipment, with larger wheels and trucks that make the pumping more effortless. Now have been playing with this LBL prototype, with 77mm Retro-thane gummies, yowza is it quick!! Was usually riding in the 70-75mm range, now bumpin' it up again. The main thing is to pick a duro that matches the quality of the trail, Erin and I still like the soft 72a 75mm Avilas to cover all trail conditions, and now I'm diggin' the roll speed on these 75a 77's, especially when it smoothes out.
Note how the board defies gravity...
Church of Cyber Sunday morning Erin, just in case! ;-)
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Quick setup
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On 3/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
This is how mine stands at the moment,
70mm 72a flashbacks, they are much nicer than the 78a's and 65mm wheels i've tried, but it all depends on the terrain, but bigger the softer is my rule now.
I've got a 4" nose and my foot is over the truck with a stop on the front right truck bolt, most people seem to do this, so i borrowed the idea and it made great sence.
The only reason for the long nose in my opinion is that it means you are using the widest part of the deck for greater leverage, but i think you could have a deck that was square at the front, with the truck right on the nose as long as its as wide as you need it?? Although without a foot stop it would be suicide!! Mine is 9 1/2" at widest point.
Click here for link If you look at the page before this one, there are some great pics of Erin's deck all set up with the best goodies (dont get much better than that).
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saw the skump!
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On 3/24/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
I finaly viewed the videos, and now I get it! I'll check out the pumping and skumping info, and try it out tomorrow, but for now, is there a concensus on what size and type wheels skump best? Is a longer nose helpfull? How far ahead of the truck is the ideal foot placement?
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irresistible offer!
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On 3/23/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Thanks to you Gareth, James and Stryker and all the Seattle crew for making us feel so welcome to join you guys in the cone addiction. Clearly that's nothing left for a girl to do but to sell her home and move down to join you guys!!!!
Well ok, short of moving to Seattle, I shall see what I can do about rounding up a Vancouver posse, with Jeffb at the lead, for a cross border sesh some time soon.
In the meantime we'll double our efforts to collect some converts and preach the cone way to life to the locals.
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vids
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On 3/23/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Oldstoke,
did you check the vids on the 'images' page on pavedwave?
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Erin.... Come on Down!
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On 3/23/2006
Stryker
wrote in from
United States
(71.112.nnn.nnn)
Erin,
I second what Gareth said. It will be a very good experience for you to see what scene we have going down here. I always bring an extra deck for newbies to ride.Not to mention a new deck or two from my collection. Everyone is there to help each other out with set ups and coaching.
If the weather is good we practice at North Seattle Comm. Coll. if it's bad... James has a private parking Garage for us to use. So Come on Down! Bring some friends.
See Ya. John
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skump
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On 3/23/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
I checked out both links, but I guess I've still got to see it done to understand the technique. How fast are you guys compared to skoggers?
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Bringing it to the masses....
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On 3/23/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey Oldstoke,
anyone would be crazy to point you anywhere other than this direction..
Click here for link
Pavedwave has everything including video of the guys making it look easy, as a newbie i can tell you its different from anything i've done up till now.
The bottom line would be, a super giant slalom type deck, with 'loose' front truck, using traction in a similar way to that you would riding skates or skis, only with one boot!
My Skumping page will give you the basics Click here for link, but all i know i learn't from these guys and gals.
Come get in the groove.
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Pumping/Skumping 101
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On 3/23/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
I was refered here from a Silverfish poster when I asked for information on boards to use for cruising distances on flat terrain. I'm used to pushing/scooting/"Skogging", whatever you want to call it, but this pumping/skumping still has me mystified. What exactly is it you guys are doing?
I'm a bicyclist and in-line skater that has been riding a longboard for a few years now and enjoying it much more than the other activities, and would like to find out more about this sport. You guys actually have a technique that keeps you cruising without putting a foot down? Where can I find out the basics?
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Erin
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On 3/23/2006
Gareth
wrote in from
United States
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Erin-
You really need to make the trek south to Seattle and come ride with us! We don't bite. There is such a great group of skaters in the Seattle area that run cones on a regular basis and we are always looking for new faces to join our sessions - all ages and abilities welcome. It's a ton of fun and a good work-out as well.
And besides, where else can you play "guess what new board john Stryker has in his trunk," see all the crazy trucks that James has in his quiver, listen to tales about pumping 12 plus miles to work and back without putting your foot on the ground, ride new proto-types from RR, AND get excellent slalom coaching tips from Michael Dong and Brad Jackman - all in one spot.
So, grab Jeff Bonney and the other BC Coneheads and come on down for the day!
Hope to see you soon!
Gareth
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slalom
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On 3/23/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey Erin
I feel just the same about this thing at the weekend, i've not gone through cones ever!
The kids are gonna make me look silly!!
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temptor!
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On 3/23/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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Ah, so tempting, so very tempting James!!! the board, the skate invite, the slalom....
....but I must wait till I have some semblence of a cone skater before I go public down south with the big guns all round. I must admit to being a wee bit intimidated by your slalom pals and a wee bit embarassed by my lack of skill. I'm skating cones like mad so hopefully some time soon I will be fit to be seen on a slalom hill with REAL slalom skaters.....LOL
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pumpilicious concave
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On 3/23/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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Guess this might answer both munchh's and ryan's Q's-- real smoooth and gradual concave pumps best for me, the LBL's got no camber but a nice gradual concave pocket, and the Roe deck's just slightly cambered with after-market PPS wedges for concave. And yeah the flames DO make the LBL move faster, I swear!! or maybe its the Gummies? Will get some impressions up soon but Airin if you just drive south a couple hours we could slalom this Sunday and I tell you in person! ;-)
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Concave on pumping decks
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On 3/22/2006
Ryan
wrote in from
United States
(69.181.nnn.nnn)
Does anyone value concave on their pumping deck? If so, do you like it shallow or deep or concentrated over the front foot like a spoon?
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perpetual motion?
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On 3/19/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
The more i look at it the more it looks like its moving!!
It might be the flames but its a very organic feeling?
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How to Pump