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pumping a DH board?!
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On 4/7/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Sean thanks for the pix of your fibreflex project - I think its going to be an awesome set up. Keep us posted.
As for gumballs, I dunno about the regular variety but yesterday I skated some PINK reflex gummies on my DH and, don't stop reading here just cause you see "DH" and this is a pumping forum....you gotta believe this, I could pump that set up like mad!
The way it happened was that my skatepal Mike who skates an Evo with DH plates, JimZ hangers and stims all round, likes to carve/bomb the 20 km round trip forested no-car route that we have nearby. Usually I lag a little behind on my cf/wood DH. Yesterday, after coming off of a few really stoked flatland pump sessions earlier in the week on my Sandpiper, I just naturally got into some pumping along the forest road. Maybe it was my uber loose R2's, maybe it was the grip of the new reflex gummies, or maybe, just maybe, my technique is actually improving but whatever it was I was regularly pumping up to and past my skate pal.
It was such fun! He teased me in a kind hearted way and we continued to play 'tag' all along the route. I was blown away by how well the pumping actually worked on what I figured was a not-too-pumpable board, the Landy DH. Well whatever it was, we had a blast and both of us were impressed by the potential and versatility of pumping.
As for the new gummies, wow were they a gift. Fast carving for sure but amazing grip without any mushiness. That new Chaput 'thane is a magical thing.
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Gumballs
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On 4/6/2006 Paul T-C
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(62.253.nnn.nnn)
Andres,
I found the the Gumballs felt quite sluggish compared to Flashbacks. I think the weight of the wheel makes a lot of difference when pumping. Also the bearing seat is inset slightly on the Gumballs, with Randal 150s on Fibreflex Pintail, even with the cut-outs this caused wheel bite.
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sector 9, abec 11, 150mm Randalls
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On 4/6/2006
Andres
wrote in from
United States
(152.20.nnn.nnn)
I want to get a board set-up that would be able to pump like crazy yet still be a descent cruise board. I was thinking a Sector 9 Sumatra 34", Randal II 150mm, and ABEC 11 Gumballs(75A). I wasn't sure if the 150mm's would be too small for the wide gumballs. The Sumatra has forward truck holes though that might allow enough room to prevent wheel bite. What does everyone think?
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ooooh aaaah
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On 4/5/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Very nice,
they turn up in the weirdest places, I've got a couple of oldies, i must take some pics, those Z-rollerz realy are straight up and down arnt they? The RMI underside is lovley, its that sort of thing that i try and put into my solid decks Check them out when you get a minute.
Click here for link
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WOW
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On 4/5/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
They are great,
must be nice to ride somthing that historical, i like stuff that you just wont see again.
Have you got a pic of the front of them that shows the pivot?
Nice shape man, its gonna be nice.
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Z-Rollers Weird Geometry...
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On 4/5/2006 Mr. Zogs (Sean C.)
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
You can sorta see the geometry of them in these 3 photos... The kingpin as I said is almost vertical... They seem to be very smooth turning trucks, but very nice and pumpy...
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Future Skumper...
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On 4/5/2006
Sean C.
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Well, I began the cutting of the deck... I'm also going to be resurfacing it completely with new fibreglass and some wicked graphics from an amazing artist... Here's what it should end up looking like when its finished...
Just picture everything to be more realistic looking (rather than the cartoonish graphic). Its about 37" long, with a 27" wheelbase... 3" long nose with a nice lathed bushing toe stop... Then also thinking about throwing some foam on there either as a gas pedal foot stop for the rear, and maybe some slight slight concave.
Then it shall be set up with Z-Rollers (I'll give them a try)... This is my set currently. I plan on polishing them up so they are nice and blingin!
They'll have some fatty Khiro White (hopefully barrels) in there to make the ride rockin. Also, I'll wedge the front alot, and slightly wedge the rear...
Then for wheels, I'm thinkin some Manx actually... 69mm, 80a... They have good rebound and good shape, and offer a decently smooth ride. Besides, most of my skumping runs are good pavement anyways... And the orange goodness matches the mad cool graphic. Heh...
So thats basically it for now... Once its all set up, I'll get some rockin photos.
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please post pix Mr Zogs
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On 4/5/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Mr Zogs, please can you post up some pix of your fibreflex-conversion-to-skumper when you are done? Sounds cool. And let us know how it rides.
thanx
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Randals for MR.ZOGS....................
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On 4/5/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(193.113.nnn.nnn)
Click here for link
Check here man, i used Randals on my 1st set up, its got pics and discription of what i did.
White Kiro's all the way and i'm not a small fella, 150's if you got them.
Hope it helps.
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Hmmm... Z-Rollers or Randals...
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On 4/4/2006
Mr. Zogs
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Well, I'm finally getting around to finishing my converted Fibreflex 44" Pintail into a skumper... I'm cutting down the board to accomidate a 27" wheelbase and with a 3" nose... I'm gonna use Grippins (78a) or ZigZags (80/83a) with Biltin (7's) and I can't decide on which trucks to use...
I was planning on popping some Khiro whites and blues into my Randals and giving them a go for now (until I can get a Carver CX or RTR). Then I was wondering, what about my Z-Rollers? Z-Rollers are an older conventional truck invented mainly for the soul purpose of pool riding and grinding. They also have a sister truck known as the Z-Maxi, which has a urethane roller and floating axle and is used on street luges.
Anyways, the Z-Rollers have 8mm axles and aluminum rollers on them (to aid in grinding), and I believe a very slow turning geometry (slower than that of Trackers). The kingpin is near vertical and they seem to have a very bent pivot. I have always had them set up on my slider, but felt they were really turny and pumpable (for as tight as I had them). Are slow turning geometries good/better for long distance pumping than my Randals would be (whether it be a 150/160/180 hangar on the 50* plate)? I'm guessing I would wedge both ends for that extra "oomph."
I guess the only way to find out is to go and try it. I'm going to take off the "rollers" to drop some weight off the trucks and have a bare 8mm axle going through. I'm thinking that any truck with some khiro whites in it and a wedged geometry will turn like mad, I guess its now time to go and try it out. I'll get back to you with pictures and results.
Or maybe I'll just end up using my front and rear splitfires on it... Heh heh...
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the Trap be smokin!
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On 4/3/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Those are smoking fast times you guys are clocking there on the Trap! I see that you have definitely caught the eye of my rip-it-up skate pal, Jeff.
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top 5
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On 4/3/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for posting those tunes James, I'm always on the look out for new music and actually bought two of those albums on your list last night.
My top five head off in a bit of a different direction:
1. Jack Johnson - guitar and vocals
2. James Blunt - "Bedlam"
3. Keoloa Beamer - Hawaiian Slack Guitar
4. Cake
5. INXS
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TRAP pump session
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On 4/2/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Some fast Trap times this weekend, best cool down or warm up for a Cyber session. We just re-set the tape switch 2 feet longer after Cyber. Frees up your mind from the cones, gets your heart pumpin!
Corey Moy was on fire and set a new Cyber PR at 9.25, and it was INSANE watching Michael do a sub-8-second Cyber (7.981) on Saturday.
No pushing on the Trap this time -- all PUMP!
DK -9.982 12.022mph
JS -8.201 14.632mph
Jackman -7.621 15.746mph
Peters -7.575 15.842mph
Dong -6.902 17.386mph!!!
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groovin - whats yer Top 5??
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On 4/2/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Agreed! Tunes set a great cadence -winter I tend toward soul and funk - and by summer its grunge, latin, acid jazz, trance, bebop, lotta fast-paced stuff. The IPODs have a great user interface, to file away "sets" of tunes depending on the ride, then just let it play- will have to invest someday. Usually I try to find a good acid/trance DJ mix that runs an hour or more. I can't even say what's on Derek's mp3 player- he'd kill me, serious. Here's mine at present, always changin' but I tend to cycle these back in all the time...
1 Liquid Acid - Blue Notes 'n Smoke-trip-hop, jazz,funk- Full.mp3
2 United Future Organization_3rd Perspective- Full Album.mp3
3 Arturo Sandoval - Swingin.mp3
4 Medeski Martin & Wood - Shine it.mp3
5 Lost at Last - Trance.mp3
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music is a must!!!
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On 3/30/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
What a difference it makes to go for the distance pump with or without music. I have come to the conclusion that LDP'ing and music are a wonderful marriage. LDP'ing just begs for tunes......to pump is to dance on the board.....and what would dancing be without music!
I had an awesome 12 km skate this afternoon with my ipod mini shuffling away and the pumping effortless on my Sandpiper. It just doesn't get better than that!!! What a blast! I went fast and hard, then slower and sweeping, then fast and groovy....just depended on what was playing. Wow much better than late nights in a smoky nightclub jammed on the dance floor with way too loud music. Not for us long distance pumpers....nope, fresh air, spring sunshine, snow capped mountains in the distance, seaside pathway...and kilometres and kilometres of 'no touch' skating. You should've been here!
So if you haven't already discovered the magic of music for your long distance pumps, don't wait a second longer, find an mp3 player, load it with your favourite tunes and then grab your board and go skump!
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photo resizing
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On 3/30/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Hey James thanks for your suggestions about reducing the size of my photos so that the forum is kept sleek and speedy. I was actually able to do the resizing right on the photobucket site through the edit option. Cool, thanks.
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lemon-lime
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On 3/29/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
That's right Munchh, lemon 83a on the front, lime 80a on the rear.
It was thanks to the skaters on the 'fish that I went with the lemon/lime not the lime/red I was first considering. I thought that the 83a/80a duros would be too fast for me but in fact they are nice and fast but still amazingly sticky. Even a fairly inexperienced skater like me can tell the difference between this reflex 'thane and that of other slalom wheels.
Am loving the retros for sure and now have my sights on some 77a Pink Reflex Gumballs - they ought to be HOT, HOT, HOT!!!!
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zig zags
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On 3/29/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey Erin,
Are the lemon on the front lime on the back?
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Adam
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On 3/29/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Adam, glad to know I'm close to a pro set up! Lucky guesswork by a newb such as myself.
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Math
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On 3/28/2006
Pat Chewning
wrote in from
United States
(67.189.nnn.nnn)
Tania wrote: What is 34,802 feet per second divided by 176 feet per second times 120 MPH
ANSWER: 34,802 feet per second. (Because 176fps = 120 MPH)
It is also: 23,728 miles per hour
Approx one trip around the earth per hour.
What is the point?
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Erin!
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On 3/28/2006
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(64.81.nnn.nnn)
LOVING that rocker setup! The toeblock.. the Limeys.. the risers! You're one pair of Seismic trucks away from my own pumping setup. If you ever get the opportunity, run ultra light springs up front, one or two levels stiffer at rear.. then hang on for dear life.
p.s. Geezer-X's 8mm axled Seismics are the only way to fly.
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LBL slalom stoke
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On 3/28/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Whoah James, coaching from Michael Dong! No wonder your skumping times are so fast!
And yeah what a great way to keep fit. I always have felt that the best way to keep fit is to do something you love and have the fitness just follow as an afterthought, a fringe benefit of having fun, as it were!
Well my Sandpiper has had some tough competition from its little sister the new LBL slalom deck in the past few weeks. I have been trying out this little rockered ripper by Larry and becoming more and more enamoured with it. My feet just lock in thanks to the rocker and the design and dimensions are really working for me.
Here's a couple of pix....
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meditative pump
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On 3/28/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Well Erin I may just be picking up a unicycle again, one of my coworkers commuted on his almost every day to work, even in the snow!? reading a book on his left hand and clipping overhanging branches with his right hand -- quite a sight! Sounds like something that could lock you into that same meditative 'groove', spawning great new thoughts that make the world a better place ;-)
That's why my commute times are much quicker than casual summer pumps on the boardwalk of Alki or Greenlake. Pumping the commute is focused, almost purpose-driven, and after having hit the course many times, just compelled to improve on the efficiencies both in form and in gear. Actually with the combination of Cyber, Michael Dong's been coaching and helped me discover which of my pump sides is least efficient. He's also been one of the few pros I've talked with at length on skumping and quickly recognized why we've developed a different, minimal pump style for long distance -- basically, conservation of energy! The aerobic fitness from all this makes casual weekend or evening pump excursions effortless, weekend cruises with the bros are still the best, we even stop at the Redhook Brewery off the trail sometimes mid-ride, then it really gets challenging afterward ;-)
Probably what I like most on the LBL is that very mellow and wide concave pocket up front for subtle adjustments in the pump -- both when at the fastest cruising speed, just barely pumping back and forth, and for going up hills. Munson and I talked recently about some of the trickier inclines he's conquered (he's still got that part locked better than I) and reading/adjusting to find the most gradual lines uphill.
My other LBL is closer to your Sandpiper shape though, and I still like its camber peak just behind the front foot- you can step right over it to crank up the speed whenever you feel the need, that board's got rebound! Dying to hear how your distance pumps have been going on the Sandpiper as well!
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cruising speeds
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On 3/27/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Whoah, pretty fast cruising speeds there James! The 16 kmph is usually my cruising speed on my 29 inch wheel unicycle...hey we'd be a perfect match....ha, ha, ha.....
As for the cruising speed on my LDP'er, I can't say I'm anywhere near that fast yet. Something to work towards though.
So what are you liking most about your LBL proto board?
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