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dem dawgs!..as Erin points out!!! Stanky!
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On 4/13/2006 Al Willums
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
James! Da problem is..you ain't o shouldn't be pumpin'a barefoot up there in Sattle in a wintatime! Isa a pretty normal conclusion that after 2-300 miles of rain o ice pumpin' you gonna get some pritty hairy dawgs!( as Erin calls 'em correcly). I sugest a good pair of woolen socks cuz those a sum stanky pair a dawgs ya got....doooood!!!
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holy hairy dawgs!
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On 4/12/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Those are one hairy pair of dawgs you got there James! That can't be very aerodynamic...pretty give those puppies a trim....LOL!
OldStoke hope you survived your three wheeled episode .... Like James I often find myself cranking on three wheels, well actually less so since I started skating the Sandpiper but earlier on my other LBL decks and on the Rayne Vice that I set up as a pumper for while I definitely often skated three. Never had any spills but probably I was farther back on the deck than you plus the boards didn't have a swept up nose.
It is interesting now that I think about it that the Sandpiper doesn't seem to have this three wheeled tendency. Now why would that be James? Different flex, different shape....?
What I have run into with the 'piper is a slightly pulled groin muscle on my leading leg. I just can't seem to restrain my enthusiasm when pumping and I think I just cranked it too hard for too long and kind of fatigued that muscle to the point of it becoming a bit sore. Anyone else running in to muscle pulls from pumping?
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hey they're toughin' up already!
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On 4/12/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
 Oldstoke, that barefooters.org is a very cool, informative site! I'll be spending a lot more of this summer nekkid from the ankle down.
Sounds like you rode that 'sketchy zone' out on the nose of the deck, hope you're okay? I've also heard comments from passing bikers when tripod-ing, just one rear wheel down while flying along at a fast clip. Even though it feels a little 'on edge' I still sometimes switch between that, and planting the rear foot for acceleration again. Although riding on WET trails will train you to keep the rear foot planted all the time!
Munchh, hope to get ride pics soon, after I shave my feet...
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I've gone global.....
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On 4/12/2006 Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.54.nnn.nnn)
Hey Peters,
just thought i'd have a quick look, as i found a internet cafe, nice work man, just getting ready to get in the water, bit cold, but my new hood is sweet.
Just want some pics of you on it now,
Check you all when i get back.
Munchh.
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Barefoot Skump'n
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On 4/11/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
You guys got the wrong idea. Don't baby your feet, let them toughen up naturally. I'm leaving tomorrow for FL, and even though I live in MI my feet are ready! I have alot to learn about pumping still, but I've got the barefoot part down. I read "Skumping", Ya'all got to check out www.barefooters.org
Hey Erin, while showing my sons how great I was pumping the old Gravity yesterday, I couldn't hear what my 15 year old was trying to tell me: "Your rear wheels are going up". A few seconds later I hit the nose to the ground, and a split second later I hit the ground as well. I'll remember not to try Skumping a board with a kick nose from now on, no matter how good it feels. The old Classic Concave has a nose almost exactly like it's kick tail.
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foam on top
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On 4/11/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Yeah i'm just trying to find the right kind of grip for comfort on longer barefoot rides -- one time I shredded up my feet using regular grip and pumpin a couple miles. It was interesting to see where my skin was a little shredded afterward, quickly showing where my feet were pushing and pulling across the top of the deck. Then it hurt like hell to walk for a few days. I bought a soft and little sticky Yoga mat quite a while back, but just checked out the SF forum (thx!!) and the idea of the surfboard-foam top seems pretty smart as well. Maybe combine that with some PPS wedges?? I've got about 4 boards that all work great for this, all smooth or very mellow grip so it don't eat yo' feet. Gotta go show off my freaky looking toes again now that spring is here.
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green lake
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On 4/11/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Green Lake loop, yes a lovely spot indeed. And if its about dodging dog poop, it needs to be a no touch skate for sure. But barefoot? Now you've got me going to another level. I am really intriqued as recently I have been having a fair bit of discussion with a skater from the 'fish who is a barefooter.
Any tips for getting started in the barefoot scene? Woo-who, always something new!
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barefoot skate loop
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On 4/11/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Erin, I think you've been there before? - Green Lake's a 2.8-mile loop of pedestrian slalom, mostly flat. Best place to pump laps around the lake on weekends, first thing in the morning if you want some speed, but later in the day its great for just surfin'. We've talked about doing a "dodge the doggie doo" pump-only race around this loop but it would have to be uber-early (for the skate world, anyway) like 7 a.m. to avoid the masses...
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where are you barefooting?
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On 4/10/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
sounds intriquing James...where do you go to ride the flatwaves?
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flatwave
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On 4/10/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
That deck's very stiff which is why I combo'd with extremely surfy RTR trucks. The grips are Munchh's cool custom cutouts and the rest of it is smooth, raw wood - not grippy at all which is my goal, to have at least 2 barefoot decks for the summer, the other's a 60" Flexdex -- one of my last ones!
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Munchh deck - wow'sa!
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On 4/8/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Holy smokes James! That's a sweet deck Munchh made for you! How much flex does the board have? Is it clear silica grip on top or just the black grip design?
.....humm, a Munchh board is a very tempting idea.....hummm......
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barefoot Flatwave Classic!
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On 4/7/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
That fibreflex Z-roller combo sounds nice, curious to see how it rides and pumps, Zogs! I don't know if the Z's will be too stiff, but the FF decks usually have a nice snap and flex to them, so the deck ought to be where you get a lot of pump energy. Carvers / RTRs work best on stiffer decks IMHO, a little flex works as long as it snaps back quickly.
Finally got RTRs on my MUNCHH deck for a nice barefoot pump & carve session today. I'm keeping grip minimal on this one for barefootin' around the waterfront, its a great 36" pumpin' cruiser. I know you're offline for a couple weeks, but -- nice work Munchh!
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pumpin da gummies
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On 4/7/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Cool hearing about your 20km hill Erin - cars verboten? Gotta hit that next time we make it to Vancouver! It's true even a DH can be turned into a decent carve/pump board, I've had exkates on my Landy for a very long time, just haven't been out to BOMB lately. My guess is it was 95% your improved pump skills and the other 5% is that new little edge of traction you got outta the Pink Gummies - Chris probably has more scientific stats than this ;-)
On Paul's Gummies vs. Flashbacks mention farther down, personally I think the diameter is far more important than the weight of the wheels. Flashbacks feel faster because the smaller wheels give quicker acceleration from lower speeds -- but with Gummies you'll feel the more efficient pumping speeds up over 10mph. So it depends more how fast a pumping/cruising speed you like to maintain. The thing I'm diggin about the retro Gums is it feels like the roll-speed is even better now, springy like a super ball??
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pumping a DH board?!
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On 4/7/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Sean thanks for the pix of your fibreflex project - I think its going to be an awesome set up. Keep us posted.
As for gumballs, I dunno about the regular variety but yesterday I skated some PINK reflex gummies on my DH and, don't stop reading here just cause you see "DH" and this is a pumping forum....you gotta believe this, I could pump that set up like mad!
The way it happened was that my skatepal Mike who skates an Evo with DH plates, JimZ hangers and stims all round, likes to carve/bomb the 20 km round trip forested no-car route that we have nearby. Usually I lag a little behind on my cf/wood DH. Yesterday, after coming off of a few really stoked flatland pump sessions earlier in the week on my Sandpiper, I just naturally got into some pumping along the forest road. Maybe it was my uber loose R2's, maybe it was the grip of the new reflex gummies, or maybe, just maybe, my technique is actually improving but whatever it was I was regularly pumping up to and past my skate pal.
It was such fun! He teased me in a kind hearted way and we continued to play 'tag' all along the route. I was blown away by how well the pumping actually worked on what I figured was a not-too-pumpable board, the Landy DH. Well whatever it was, we had a blast and both of us were impressed by the potential and versatility of pumping.
As for the new gummies, wow were they a gift. Fast carving for sure but amazing grip without any mushiness. That new Chaput 'thane is a magical thing.
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Gumballs
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On 4/6/2006 Paul T-C
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(62.253.nnn.nnn)
Andres,
I found the the Gumballs felt quite sluggish compared to Flashbacks. I think the weight of the wheel makes a lot of difference when pumping. Also the bearing seat is inset slightly on the Gumballs, with Randal 150s on Fibreflex Pintail, even with the cut-outs this caused wheel bite.
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sector 9, abec 11, 150mm Randalls
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On 4/6/2006
Andres
wrote in from
United States
(152.20.nnn.nnn)
I want to get a board set-up that would be able to pump like crazy yet still be a descent cruise board. I was thinking a Sector 9 Sumatra 34", Randal II 150mm, and ABEC 11 Gumballs(75A). I wasn't sure if the 150mm's would be too small for the wide gumballs. The Sumatra has forward truck holes though that might allow enough room to prevent wheel bite. What does everyone think?
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ooooh aaaah
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On 4/5/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Very nice,
they turn up in the weirdest places, I've got a couple of oldies, i must take some pics, those Z-rollerz realy are straight up and down arnt they? The RMI underside is lovley, its that sort of thing that i try and put into my solid decks Check them out when you get a minute.
Click here for link
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WOW
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On 4/5/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
They are great,
must be nice to ride somthing that historical, i like stuff that you just wont see again.
Have you got a pic of the front of them that shows the pivot?
Nice shape man, its gonna be nice.
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Z-Rollers Weird Geometry...
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On 4/5/2006 Mr. Zogs (Sean C.)
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
You can sorta see the geometry of them in these 3 photos... The kingpin as I said is almost vertical... They seem to be very smooth turning trucks, but very nice and pumpy...
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Future Skumper...
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On 4/5/2006
Sean C.
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Well, I began the cutting of the deck... I'm also going to be resurfacing it completely with new fibreglass and some wicked graphics from an amazing artist... Here's what it should end up looking like when its finished...
Just picture everything to be more realistic looking (rather than the cartoonish graphic). Its about 37" long, with a 27" wheelbase... 3" long nose with a nice lathed bushing toe stop... Then also thinking about throwing some foam on there either as a gas pedal foot stop for the rear, and maybe some slight slight concave.
Then it shall be set up with Z-Rollers (I'll give them a try)... This is my set currently. I plan on polishing them up so they are nice and blingin!
They'll have some fatty Khiro White (hopefully barrels) in there to make the ride rockin. Also, I'll wedge the front alot, and slightly wedge the rear...
Then for wheels, I'm thinkin some Manx actually... 69mm, 80a... They have good rebound and good shape, and offer a decently smooth ride. Besides, most of my skumping runs are good pavement anyways... And the orange goodness matches the mad cool graphic. Heh...
So thats basically it for now... Once its all set up, I'll get some rockin photos.
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please post pix Mr Zogs
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On 4/5/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Mr Zogs, please can you post up some pix of your fibreflex-conversion-to-skumper when you are done? Sounds cool. And let us know how it rides.
thanx
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Randals for MR.ZOGS....................
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On 4/5/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(193.113.nnn.nnn)
Click here for link
Check here man, i used Randals on my 1st set up, its got pics and discription of what i did.
White Kiro's all the way and i'm not a small fella, 150's if you got them.
Hope it helps.
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Hmmm... Z-Rollers or Randals...
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On 4/4/2006
Mr. Zogs
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Well, I'm finally getting around to finishing my converted Fibreflex 44" Pintail into a skumper... I'm cutting down the board to accomidate a 27" wheelbase and with a 3" nose... I'm gonna use Grippins (78a) or ZigZags (80/83a) with Biltin (7's) and I can't decide on which trucks to use...
I was planning on popping some Khiro whites and blues into my Randals and giving them a go for now (until I can get a Carver CX or RTR). Then I was wondering, what about my Z-Rollers? Z-Rollers are an older conventional truck invented mainly for the soul purpose of pool riding and grinding. They also have a sister truck known as the Z-Maxi, which has a urethane roller and floating axle and is used on street luges.
Anyways, the Z-Rollers have 8mm axles and aluminum rollers on them (to aid in grinding), and I believe a very slow turning geometry (slower than that of Trackers). The kingpin is near vertical and they seem to have a very bent pivot. I have always had them set up on my slider, but felt they were really turny and pumpable (for as tight as I had them). Are slow turning geometries good/better for long distance pumping than my Randals would be (whether it be a 150/160/180 hangar on the 50* plate)? I'm guessing I would wedge both ends for that extra "oomph."
I guess the only way to find out is to go and try it. I'm going to take off the "rollers" to drop some weight off the trucks and have a bare 8mm axle going through. I'm thinking that any truck with some khiro whites in it and a wedged geometry will turn like mad, I guess its now time to go and try it out. I'll get back to you with pictures and results.
Or maybe I'll just end up using my front and rear splitfires on it... Heh heh...
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the Trap be smokin!
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On 4/3/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Those are smoking fast times you guys are clocking there on the Trap! I see that you have definitely caught the eye of my rip-it-up skate pal, Jeff.
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