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Munchh some fish
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On 4/24/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Munchh, that board is looking sweeter and sweeter - love the grip job/design.
can't wait to hear how it skates!
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munchh some fish
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On 4/24/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Munchh i really like that fat nose shape (always have) and the concave looks perfect. it almost looks like a very subtle version of S-camber as well (thx to some twist of fate!?) which is a pretty wicked accomplishment for a 1st slalom board build! Nice grip that captures the slalom flow, to top it off. Go feed that fish some cones soon as you can!!
I brought the just-released Roe LDP setup down to our Ridgefield race yesterday with great reception, especially from the downhill crew!! that not so surprisingly pumped it around the flat top of the hill, amazed at the ease. I was stoked to see eyes light up and people now thinking that 13 miles isn't such a long way to go after all (it isn't!!)
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munchh pumper
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On 4/23/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
nice work munchh!
now if you could just figure out that rain thing...
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finished slalom fish
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On 4/23/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Finished at last and its just started to rain, good old english weather??
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flatwave
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On 4/22/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
i think so!
that's the board you made him, right?
i had a chance to ride it very briefly before we headed out on a ride a week or so ago. what a beautiful board! impressive quality there.
i'll definitely have to check it out a bit more and seek out some grooves on it.
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barefoot
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On 4/21/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Hey Derek, have you seen Jame's Flatwave?
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Those pesky hobbits?
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On 4/21/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
No just a US 10?
What i mean is that i'm very into making a deck that has as much or little for what you want it to do (i'm making everyone suck eggs for a minute), i see alot of people riding slalom decks with their feet hanging over, because the deck is too narrow, my front foot is only just bigger than the deck, so i'm hoping for the most control possible and i should be able to run cones just as tight as its not wider than my foot. The 20" WB puts me over both trucks, its just different from my others as the dimentions were 1st and the shape had to fit around them, it really was meant to look the way it does. blah blah....
I think you get it, i'm pleased!
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munchh machine
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On 4/21/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
that is one nice lookin' board there, mr. munchh. impressive!
you were saying you made it to your foot size- you have big feet too? it's nice that you can just whip something up like that to meet your needs ;)
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kid in a candy shop...
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On 4/21/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Thanks lady,
its the 1st one i've made to my stance and foot size, i have made alot just on shape and then end up drilling loads of holes getting the best ride, i think everyone with the least amount of woodworking skills and simple tools should try a Roarockit kit, the 1st one gave me the know how to make my own mould and this little beauty.
If i had the money i would definatly get Roe to make one of my shapes in their lovely carbon, but if this rides how i meant it to, there'll be not getting rid of this little girl Homer giggle i've got goin on, hehe.
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Munchh's hot ride!
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On 4/21/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Wow Munchh, what a hot ride you've got going there! I love the look of that board. Gonna dance your way through the cones with that, for sure!!!
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not so twitchy short board pumper?
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On 4/21/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
I should probly put this on the 'homemade' page, but i enjoy your lots stoke about stuff, so here it is.
9mm thick, 29.5" long, 9.5" just behind the front truck, 7.5" at the rear truck, the concave came out just right and a little twist of fate means it has a bit of a rocker more towards the tail, its stiff with my weight, i'm so happy with how it came out. This is the 1st mock up, it gets varnish and a fancy grip job tommorow...i'm coming to get you, you cones you.hehe.
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skumpy
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On 4/21/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey you guys-
thanks for the comments. it is awesome to get your feedback on this stuff- it totally helps me see new areas that i need to work on.
i have to agree with Al- i'm excited, and i have lots of energy, but i'm not using it in the most efficient way, to put it gently. James has really developed an efficient motion that he can now even use on the steeper inclines. he is very connected with the ground. His experimental board is well matched to his style- it's low, it doesn't have a lot of bounce, and it generates a ton of energy from lateral motion. (james' board is the one with the pink wheels- i forget what those things are called.)
james has a constant connection with the ground which is awesome for a million reasons. My approach is a bit more raw, and definitely not as fluid and seasoned. I've been trying to apply the ideas from the book "Chi Running" by Danny Dreyer to my boarding, hence the awkward-looking arm swing, the alternating leg thing, and god knows what else. the upper body/lower body balance is something that i have been trying to work on, and now with the video, i can see i've got lots more work to do ;)
thanks again to al, munchh, and erin for your comments. i totally appreciate it.
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same board/ different styles
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On 4/21/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Al, I don't doubt that the boys were just switching back and forth between skating and filming. Using one board and one bike, I think.
I think what we are seeing, demonstrated nicely in this video, is how different pump styles can be. As well, during a single pump sessions most ldp'ers are likely incorporating a least three distinct variations to pumping, I know I do. And because of this I think it can seem like the setups are the basis of the difference but really it depends on the skaters personal style and the particular variation of pumping they are applying at any given time.
I find I prefer the slower cadence pumps myself but there are times when I apply little quick 'pumpettes', especially to start up a burst of power or to ascend a small incline, times I use an undulating 'dolphin' type movement for long sweeping flowing pumps and times that I rely upon my bread and butter power-pump which is somewhere in between the two aforementioned pumps.
Then there's body type, strength, endurance and the 'head space' of each skater.
Clearly there are a many reasons that one long distance pump skater's style can look very different from another.
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same boards?
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On 4/21/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
I do think they were using the same board in some shots, but derek's pumps seemed to be in the faster, lower gear mode..so it appeared to be a different, shorter deck. But if they indeed were on the same board, there must have been some adjustments going on, because the styles were so different. If the same board was used for all the shots, and no major adjustments were made...then I think we got one heck of a diverse set-up goin' there! Maybe Derek or James can provide some info. on this topic.
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vids, hills, and stuff
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On 4/21/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Wow Derek you really kept it clean. Thanks for leaving the herky-jerky stuff on the editing room floor this time. ;-) As has been noted here, sometimes the ride FEELS great but looks are a whole different game!!
You're too kind on the Giant Peach, er, Hill comments Derek, I was struggling over the crest -- its fun to set hurdles and make 'em now and then! That's what the pseudo-competitive stuff is all about anyway, the "marathons" and Cyber Mile, etc -- it has more to do with ones *personal* best than anything else. I'm shooting for a sub-2-hour marathon this summer for example, but I would be STOKED to see someone that's got 1 hour 45 minutes already as a goal, I'd want to know what other efficiencies there are in pump style and technique. And that's just one side of it... stopwatch aside, gettin out and groovin' for miles keeps me amped.
I understand where todd's shortboard-twitchy dork comments come from, it totally makes sense when you think of shortboard pumping an 18" wheelbase over a stretch of 2 or more miles, that does look pretty damn funny. It's like using a hand-held bike pump to pump up a gigantic tractor tire. But on the flip side -- watching Michael Dong pumping a short board 176 feet in under 7 seconds is phenomenal!! The course dictates the wheelbase and wheel size (overall deck length isn't so crucial but WB is!)
And yep Erin -- thats the new Roe LDP board I've been testing the past weeks, it'll be up soon! We were just switching off with the camera, trying to remember how to ride a bike ;-)
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boards?
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On 4/21/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
I dunno Al, it looked to me like maybe Derek may have actually been skating the same board as James in the latest vid. Same board? Or just my imagination? Or were you talking the boards being skated in the earlier vid perhaps.....?
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great video Derek!
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On 4/21/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Just got the time to check out that recent video. I like the way that James seems to manage or conserve his movements which appear very efficient, and somewhat effortless..probably an unconscious by product of his habitual Ld riding. Derek seems to ride with enthusiasm and energy, though doesn't seem to be as energy efficient as James. This might be because the wheel base of Dereks board seems to be about 4 or more inches less than James, which would put him in a lower gear(if I am correct?)..but great for the uphill stuff...as demonstrated in the vid! If those are CX's that you guys are riding on front, they seem to perform incredibly! Excellent and informative video guys!
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On 'Dork style' and board length
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On 4/21/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Toddc,
Good commentary! I never really thought about the decklength in regards to videos! Maybe I'm not really as 'dorky' as I appear on video, because I've always been filmed pumping a 33" slalom deck or a regular 31" street deck. However, we can't discount out the real possibility that I'm gonna be a dorkmeister no matter what I ride! Anyway, one day, when I learn how to post videos, I'll try to put something up..if for no other reason than the chuckle factor! But I think I'll take your advice and use my 43"longboard this time around!
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Thanks
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On 4/20/2006
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the tips Erin. Yea, I started reading backwards in this particular forum and read the past month of two of posts and definitely seemed to be pointing towards larger wheels. I'm mainly doing shorter distance pumps in my company parking lot which has ultra-smooth pavement.
I do have a set of 75a Gumballs and 88a Strikers as well, but no board in that wheelbase range. I am looking at the Lush Bamboo Kilima dropped which is 44" with a WB33" (too long?) with my set of Holeys. Also looking at a Loaded Bamboo Vanguard since I liked the Oak version so much. I think I'm going to hold off on shopping for a LDP board (with CarverCX trucks is sounds like) for now as I have a park/bowl setup coming together).
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power to the pumpers....!
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On 4/20/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Wow!
You guys are really pushing, really good to see, Derek your back foot has the same sort of bounce as Erin has, was that something you had in mind Erin when getting the LBL dailed?
James seems to be more twisting his torso, as his back foot is pretty much flat on the deck, its the same as the way i think i pump my slalom deck around.
Its weired to think i never try pumping my skump setup like this, i always end up with my front foot doing most the work, i need to try that. Anyway all three of you are throwing the back end alot more than i expected, its alot of great stuff to work on.
I got a run this evening and managed to throw a rub on the front again, i wonder if a wedge would help stop wheel bite with the carver, i have 3/4"'s of riser with 70mm flashbacks, so i'm suprised you lot use bigger wheels?
Its great to actualy see your style and if thats your general speed, i still haven't got out of 1st gear!!
Cool.
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lonerider - wheel size
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On 4/20/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Hey lonerider, good to hear that you are experimenting with your set ups and wheel sizes for long distance pumping. I don't run anything smaller than a 76 mm wheel but that's because the pavement on my routes tends to have some really rough sections to it. I think the 70mm might work well if the pavement is smooth but somehow I'm not sure I'd want to go as small as 66mm.
As for risers, I used to kind of fuss about that but given that I don't really ever push my ldp board any more the height of the risers to clear the larger size wheels isn't an issue.
You may also want to try a sligthly longer wb if you have an appropriate board for it. Somewhere around 28 - 30 inches seems to work well over the long haul.
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super pumpers vid
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On 4/20/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Derek, that vid rocks! Man you guys have changed your skumping styles for sure.
James, you arms are very quiet now. You must be generating a lot of power with your legs and torso. It would be useful to have some shots from the front of the skaters too.
Derek, I like how your rhythm works with the beat of the music. You are getting more bounce from the deck. Was that because you were on James' deck perhaps and you are a bit heavier? You use more arm action and your shoulders face more forward than James'. Perhaps has to do with a difference in body type and height?
Really helpful to see you both in action. And good work filming from the bike - I can appreciate how tricky that must be.
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66mm vs 70mm wheel
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On 4/20/2006
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
For flatland pumping, smooth pavement, which do you recommend? I know that smaller wheels accelerate faster off the push, but bigger wheels keep there speed up. What I don't know if where that line falls for these two sizes. I've previously been pumping with 81a Grippins on a 30" deck (19.5"WB) and 88a Flashblacks. However, I do have to add a bit of riser to avoid wheelbite (3/8") and was looking at the smaller wheels... anyone have an opinion?
Thanks
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skumpers of the world unite
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On 4/20/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
right on erin! glad you had a killer ride today :)
well- here's the video link. james was a bit sketched out when i told him i would make the video. i totally would have put some bad moves of his up here, if he'd ever make one ;)
http://media.putfile.com/silly-pumpers
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skumper's on fire!
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On 4/20/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Yay Derek! Can't wait to see the vid. You're crazy riding a two wheeler like that....get back on four will ya!
James, way to rip it up! Conquer the hills!
I had a wicked skate today myself! James, those tips really helped. Hands closer together, knees bent, shoulders facing forward....what a difference. Thanks for the coaching.
Just rockin to the ipod, I could've skated forever. LDP'ing just keeps getting better and better!
Skumper's are on fire. Its cool, its surfy, its twitchy...but dood the way it feels to skump...it sure isn't dorky!
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