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the 'cyber kilometre'
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On 4/28/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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Its probably pretty early days for me to consider setting any speed records with my new found love of LDP being still pretty 'new found'. Nevertheless there was this little voice that kept chattering to me about the cyber mile. So I got to thinking of where a good spot would be should I wish to dabble in this little challenge. And then I got to thinking how I would measure such a distance. You see most measuring devices up here, such as the bike computer mounted on my touring 29 inch wheel unicycle, are in kilometres. And no, this 'puter does not have the option of switching over to miles.
Then there are some older cars that still register in miles but that isn't very practical when one is thinking of setting this course up on a local bike path.
So, how about the option of a 'cyber kilometre'?
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Paging Chris Yandall
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On 4/27/2006
Adam
wrote in from
United States
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Chris Yandall, Are my emails of the last week re X-Trux reaching you?
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backward vs. switch pump
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On 4/27/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Backward pump means the feet stay in the same orientation, goofy OR standard, but the toes of the feet point toward the back of the board. Its one cool way to mix things up and change muscles. I've done it from time to time on slower grooves, its kinda scary as Al says to be (literally) hauling butt if you're moving really fast.
Switch pump is actually going from a standard foot stance pump to goofy foot stance pump or vice versa, by hopping or shuffling the feet, and quite a bit trickier to master!
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backwards pump? or switch pump
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On 4/27/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.167.nnn.nnn)
Is it necessary to call it "backward pump?" Isn't backward pump just switch stancing the pump? if so, switching lead foots for skogging to switch pump is a challenge akin to climbing a mountain peak. Have fun!
Chris Yandall
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backwards pump
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On 4/27/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey al-
ever since you made that post last week about backwards pumping, i've been trying that out during my rides. thanks for the tip! it does work an entirely different set of muscles, and it's easy to generate power from that stance.
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cyber mile
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On 4/27/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
you da man james!
although the idea of gutting it out 2 times like that sounds a bit tough, it's a great way to eliminate wind and elevation issues, especially in an event where there is no direct competition required. i like your specs for the cyber mile. i can't wait to go out and give it a shot!
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more technique talk
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On 4/27/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
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Erin,
Regarding technique talk and sore muscles...try to throw in a 1/2k of 'backward' pumping every now and again, when the asphalt is very smooth. Really it is very refreshing and will add, both to the fun of the ride, as well as relieve some of the 'repetitive' motion fatigue frequently discussed.
It's probably better to do some reverse pumping in the 1st half of your ride, because it can be dangerous if you are overly fatigued. Falling while pumping is a bad enough experience as it is. But, falling 'butt first' in a fatiqued state, can be deadly..I think. The body in not accustomed to react to emergency conditions in this position, and so there could be some very unforseen consequences. However, this is just an extreme precaution. If you get used to pumping backwards, with your face looking over your shoulder to monitor road conditions, you will soon learn to recognize your limitations...while at the same time enjoying a refreshing change of pace in a LD pump session. Also, this type of riding isn't anything new for skaters. Both ice skateres, in-liners and quad skaters have been riding this style for decades. It's just time for LDpumpers to get into it!
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proposed Cyber Mile specs
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On 4/27/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
As brought up here earlier, the Mile is a universally recognized standard for running distances, so it sounds like a compelling distance for LDP as well. Would like to "test" the Cyber Mile interest level before setting up an automated server-side entry/contest page. I'm willing to post up results people send in until it seems there's enough "work" to automate the process. Here's a shot at the specs:
The Cyber Mile
1. One mile, as flat as possible. The same one mile distance must be skated two times, once in each direction; the average will be calculated.
2. Unlimited flatland start, pushing or pumping. From start line to finish, either pump the entire length, push, or combine pushing and pumping.
3. Time starts when board crosses the Start Line.
4. Time stops when board reaches Finish line.
Please submit your best RAW times in each direction to pavedwave@comcast.net , with name, location, time1 & time2, and any comments -- and within a day or two it will be posted on a pavedwave directory page.
Example:
Name: Speedy Gonzales
Location: Salt Flats, UT
East: 6:15
West: 5:47
Comments: All push, Sector9 Tri-lam, Flashbacks, slight wind.
Any kinks in the specs or other recommendations, lemme know and I'll update!
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oldee butt goodee uni AIR
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On 4/27/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.167.nnn.nnn)
a few years back screwing around in the backcountry :P . My wife at the time accused me of boredom... the nerve of her!
cYa
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uni stoke
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On 4/26/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Yes James, Seattle has a flourishing unicycle community and they are as warm, welcoming and helpful as the Seattle LDP'ers!
Having had the pleasure of riding with this bunch I can say as well that they are as passionate about their sport as we are about skating.
The big wheels are called Coker's and utilize a 36 inch wheel. The handles allow the riders to shift their weight on and off the seat during long distance rides. Kind of similar to what Derek was saying about switching grooves when going for a long continuous pump. Unicycles have been evolving like mad in the past few years and now not only do we have some amazing off road wheels but there are a couple of geared hub uni designs out there that may soon make the Cokers a bit of a rarity. The geared hub allows the rider to ride a 24 inch wheel while pedaling in a 36 wheel ratio.
The beginning of LDP'ing gear development reminds me of these recent and dramatic evolutions in the one wheeled world. You are pioneers!
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mixers
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On 4/26/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Rowing, surfing, hiking, weights - mostly how I round out my game. The unicycling sounds cool Erin, I've seen groups of people out on the trail with huge-wheeled uni's that had little carbon-fiber handles mounted on the saddle somehow -- flying! Wicked...
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cross training
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On 4/26/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Good point Derek. Cross training is where its at for me too. I've been doing this all my life and after five decades its still serving me well. Besides there's so many cool ways to move the bag of bones why stick to only one sport?!
Currently weight training continues to provide a nice foundation from which I can launch all kinds of other activities. As well, long distance unicycling and off road MUni (mountain unicycling) also offer a nice compliment to my long distance skateboard addiction.
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mixin' it up
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On 4/26/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
right on chris!
i've been doing something akin to what you are talking about. i've been going on runs in the morning to loosen up my legs and ankles, because all that pumping can defintely lull those unused muscles into a deep sleep. pushing off the pavement gives a nice little stretch to the toes, whether there's a board under your other foot or not.
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Take it from a Seasoned Veteran - SKOG BI40TCH3S!
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On 4/26/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.167.nnn.nnn)
Interesting to hear the fatigue overuse yikkity yak.
I guess we are all in the evolutionary process of dealing with long term unknown muscle development. Bikers(pedal) are a good example of strange muscle development from overuse. I wont go into details, but you can google it.
I still love to pump and just got some new footage(last nite) i'll toss up in a few days or sooner.
After I get pumped out, I go gently and smoothly into a power skog and catch my breath, easing up from shredding the cement.
Mind you, this is from a 52 year old frame :D
Skogging forces you to really utilize your balance and body movement in even distribution, which to some might mean "offsetting" overuse. The video I post soon will hopefully show it instead of a bunch of word mincing.
cheers mates
Chris [still skateboarding, after all these years] Yandall
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tired muscles
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On 4/26/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
i switched over to running shoes a couple years ago to help out with the sore calf thingy. the heel is lifted a bit higher than in skate shoes, so you don't have to work so hard to get full use out of your foot.
when i'm overworking certain muscles, i try to change things by raising my center of balance and locking into a different groove. working the upper body is a good way to take extra weight off the legs. i either do a swimming motion, or a kayak motion, or something along those lines with bigger arm swings rotating around my center of balance. the biggest challenge for me in those sore situations is to find some new place to focus my attention so that i can stop thinking about pain. that's where those alternate gears come in very handy :)
doubletime is also a good way to deal with that stuff, because the quickened cadence forces you to be lighter on your feet. but when i'm tired and sore, picking up the pace just doesn't sound all that appealing...
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technique
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On 4/26/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
That front foot arch cramp, is something i've been dealing with, doing the pumps on my fish, i've found its down to my shoes again. My feet anyway, dont cramp much if atall when i'm wearing a skate shoe (they all tend to be flat with no instep), but when i'm wearing the addidas shelltoe, they have a quite a hight instep and my foot cramps after only a few minutes, i've been doing 1/2 hour on a flat carpark, just pumping up and down, i find i want to stand pretty perpendicular to the deck when pumping it a straight line at speed, but i turn my front foot more with the deck when throwing big 'S' carves.
I'm thinking that a 36"-38" version of this deck would be great for LDP, i'm so chuffed with it.
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technique talk
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On 4/26/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Every time I go for a pump sesh I learn something else about the pumping technique. Its a great journey of discovery!
Yesterday's 20 km skate did a lot to help me focus on tipping the deck from side to side less and generating more forward momentum with quick, short, powerful and smooth 'carves'. Really that's what these moves with the skateboard seem to be, carving the flats with short, connected turns that help to grab at the pavement and pull the board forward.
Over time I could feel my rear calf and front foot arch tense from the repetitive pumping motion. It took some conscious effort and changing up between circular pumps and figure eight style pumps to keep things as relaxed as possible.
I'd be interested in the experience other pumpers have with technique. What seems to work well for you and what do you do to avoid fatique and overuse strains when pumping?
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the deck
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On 4/25/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Power Grooves Munchh! Way to crank the turns. Put that kind of energy into your 36" and you'll be moooooovin with a longer cadence -- then the distances might not seem as tough as they sound now.
Thanks for the comments on the Roe, its great to have had the support of Gareth, Michael, Stryker, Corey and other slalom bros who've of course raised eyebrows at first on the whole distance thing, but either took a shot at it on some summer runs, or boosted the sport by supporting its development. And obviously Derek being my main riding 'bro pushing each other on our sluggish days or just doing chill laps around the lake. I've written up the LDP deck impressions on my 'gear' page so I can save ya'll the babble here ;-)
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Vid
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On 4/25/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(193.113.nnn.nnn)
http://media.putfile.com/slalom-fish-1st-run
copy and paste this mate, dont know whats going on there then?
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munchh pump
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On 4/25/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey munchh- i can't access the video- i don't think my computer is set up right. i'm trying to figure the whole "active x" control" thing out...
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Fat fish....
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On 4/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
What fat! hehe
Hey, i've quite impressed myself you know, i already know from riding this one that a rear pump tail would make it amazing.
I think videos are a great learning tool and again it sure felt like i was bending my knees more than it shows.
Watching you guys has made me realise that ive been putting far to much effort into my front foot, i'm going change my skump setup back to the 36" deck, its not quite as wide or has the long nose, but i think i'll have a better time. I dont do more that a couple of miles at the moment, i think my build is more suited to sprints, i was never good at anything futher than 200m on a running track??
But i'll be aiming for longer and longer rides, i dont think i'll ever be doing the 12k marathons, but mabie i'll have a good go at the fastest mile?
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Munchh's power pump!
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On 4/24/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Munchh, nice video!
You look so powerful when you pump, I envy your strength!
The board really suits you.
Thanks for posting the video. I think it is so brave of you guys to share your footy. And what a great way to bond, by offering our techniques on film and being open to the critques of our skatepals.
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Pavedwave ROE
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On 4/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
So wrapped up in my deck i keep forgeting,
'Pavedwave LDP deck made by ROE Racing'
How cool is that, nice one James, must keep you smiling??
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vid of 1st fish run
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On 4/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Click here for link
this is straight off the camera, i've no zoom bout its better than my phone and i have no editing software, so sorry its a bit raw.
1st impressions....WOHOO!
Its alot less work that the flat narrow deck and i'm now running a 15 degree wedge on the front and the truck is looser? Mabie because i have so much more control with the width of the nose, but it feels real nice. It has no flex and moving my weight to my back foot really puts on the power. It feels like alot of board, but that is what i like, a nice big platform, cant help thinking how similar it is to my old pig without the tail!!
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Roe LDP'er!!!
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On 4/24/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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James, I saw the new PS Pavedwave Roe on the Roe website this weekend.
http://www.roeslalom.com/
Wow'sa does that board looks yummy! Ohhh, the carbon fibre is jewelery to these skater eyes. This girl wants one of those decks!
Can you type 'submit'?! Bro, my order was in like a flash of lightening!
Please tell us a little more about how the new Pavedwave skates ... go ahead torture us with detailed descriptions of this board's amazing features.
LDP'ing is on FIRE! YAY and double YAY!
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How to Pump