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mixin' it up
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On 4/26/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
right on chris!
i've been doing something akin to what you are talking about. i've been going on runs in the morning to loosen up my legs and ankles, because all that pumping can defintely lull those unused muscles into a deep sleep. pushing off the pavement gives a nice little stretch to the toes, whether there's a board under your other foot or not.
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Take it from a Seasoned Veteran - SKOG BI40TCH3S!
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On 4/26/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(70.167.nnn.nnn)
Interesting to hear the fatigue overuse yikkity yak.
I guess we are all in the evolutionary process of dealing with long term unknown muscle development. Bikers(pedal) are a good example of strange muscle development from overuse. I wont go into details, but you can google it.
I still love to pump and just got some new footage(last nite) i'll toss up in a few days or sooner.
After I get pumped out, I go gently and smoothly into a power skog and catch my breath, easing up from shredding the cement.
Mind you, this is from a 52 year old frame :D
Skogging forces you to really utilize your balance and body movement in even distribution, which to some might mean "offsetting" overuse. The video I post soon will hopefully show it instead of a bunch of word mincing.
cheers mates
Chris [still skateboarding, after all these years] Yandall
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tired muscles
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On 4/26/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
i switched over to running shoes a couple years ago to help out with the sore calf thingy. the heel is lifted a bit higher than in skate shoes, so you don't have to work so hard to get full use out of your foot.
when i'm overworking certain muscles, i try to change things by raising my center of balance and locking into a different groove. working the upper body is a good way to take extra weight off the legs. i either do a swimming motion, or a kayak motion, or something along those lines with bigger arm swings rotating around my center of balance. the biggest challenge for me in those sore situations is to find some new place to focus my attention so that i can stop thinking about pain. that's where those alternate gears come in very handy :)
doubletime is also a good way to deal with that stuff, because the quickened cadence forces you to be lighter on your feet. but when i'm tired and sore, picking up the pace just doesn't sound all that appealing...
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technique
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On 4/26/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
That front foot arch cramp, is something i've been dealing with, doing the pumps on my fish, i've found its down to my shoes again. My feet anyway, dont cramp much if atall when i'm wearing a skate shoe (they all tend to be flat with no instep), but when i'm wearing the addidas shelltoe, they have a quite a hight instep and my foot cramps after only a few minutes, i've been doing 1/2 hour on a flat carpark, just pumping up and down, i find i want to stand pretty perpendicular to the deck when pumping it a straight line at speed, but i turn my front foot more with the deck when throwing big 'S' carves.
I'm thinking that a 36"-38" version of this deck would be great for LDP, i'm so chuffed with it.
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technique talk
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On 4/26/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Every time I go for a pump sesh I learn something else about the pumping technique. Its a great journey of discovery!
Yesterday's 20 km skate did a lot to help me focus on tipping the deck from side to side less and generating more forward momentum with quick, short, powerful and smooth 'carves'. Really that's what these moves with the skateboard seem to be, carving the flats with short, connected turns that help to grab at the pavement and pull the board forward.
Over time I could feel my rear calf and front foot arch tense from the repetitive pumping motion. It took some conscious effort and changing up between circular pumps and figure eight style pumps to keep things as relaxed as possible.
I'd be interested in the experience other pumpers have with technique. What seems to work well for you and what do you do to avoid fatique and overuse strains when pumping?
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the deck
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On 4/25/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Power Grooves Munchh! Way to crank the turns. Put that kind of energy into your 36" and you'll be moooooovin with a longer cadence -- then the distances might not seem as tough as they sound now.
Thanks for the comments on the Roe, its great to have had the support of Gareth, Michael, Stryker, Corey and other slalom bros who've of course raised eyebrows at first on the whole distance thing, but either took a shot at it on some summer runs, or boosted the sport by supporting its development. And obviously Derek being my main riding 'bro pushing each other on our sluggish days or just doing chill laps around the lake. I've written up the LDP deck impressions on my 'gear' page so I can save ya'll the babble here ;-)
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Vid
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On 4/25/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(193.113.nnn.nnn)
http://media.putfile.com/slalom-fish-1st-run
copy and paste this mate, dont know whats going on there then?
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munchh pump
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On 4/25/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey munchh- i can't access the video- i don't think my computer is set up right. i'm trying to figure the whole "active x" control" thing out...
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Fat fish....
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On 4/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
What fat! hehe
Hey, i've quite impressed myself you know, i already know from riding this one that a rear pump tail would make it amazing.
I think videos are a great learning tool and again it sure felt like i was bending my knees more than it shows.
Watching you guys has made me realise that ive been putting far to much effort into my front foot, i'm going change my skump setup back to the 36" deck, its not quite as wide or has the long nose, but i think i'll have a better time. I dont do more that a couple of miles at the moment, i think my build is more suited to sprints, i was never good at anything futher than 200m on a running track??
But i'll be aiming for longer and longer rides, i dont think i'll ever be doing the 12k marathons, but mabie i'll have a good go at the fastest mile?
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Munchh's power pump!
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On 4/24/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Munchh, nice video!
You look so powerful when you pump, I envy your strength!
The board really suits you.
Thanks for posting the video. I think it is so brave of you guys to share your footy. And what a great way to bond, by offering our techniques on film and being open to the critques of our skatepals.
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Pavedwave ROE
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On 4/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
So wrapped up in my deck i keep forgeting,
'Pavedwave LDP deck made by ROE Racing'
How cool is that, nice one James, must keep you smiling??
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vid of 1st fish run
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On 4/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Click here for link
this is straight off the camera, i've no zoom bout its better than my phone and i have no editing software, so sorry its a bit raw.
1st impressions....WOHOO!
Its alot less work that the flat narrow deck and i'm now running a 15 degree wedge on the front and the truck is looser? Mabie because i have so much more control with the width of the nose, but it feels real nice. It has no flex and moving my weight to my back foot really puts on the power. It feels like alot of board, but that is what i like, a nice big platform, cant help thinking how similar it is to my old pig without the tail!!
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Roe LDP'er!!!
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On 4/24/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
James, I saw the new PS Pavedwave Roe on the Roe website this weekend.
http://www.roeslalom.com/
Wow'sa does that board looks yummy! Ohhh, the carbon fibre is jewelery to these skater eyes. This girl wants one of those decks!
Can you type 'submit'?! Bro, my order was in like a flash of lightening!
Please tell us a little more about how the new Pavedwave skates ... go ahead torture us with detailed descriptions of this board's amazing features.
LDP'ing is on FIRE! YAY and double YAY!
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Munchh some fish
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On 4/24/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Munchh, that board is looking sweeter and sweeter - love the grip job/design.
can't wait to hear how it skates!
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munchh some fish
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On 4/24/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Munchh i really like that fat nose shape (always have) and the concave looks perfect. it almost looks like a very subtle version of S-camber as well (thx to some twist of fate!?) which is a pretty wicked accomplishment for a 1st slalom board build! Nice grip that captures the slalom flow, to top it off. Go feed that fish some cones soon as you can!!
I brought the just-released Roe LDP setup down to our Ridgefield race yesterday with great reception, especially from the downhill crew!! that not so surprisingly pumped it around the flat top of the hill, amazed at the ease. I was stoked to see eyes light up and people now thinking that 13 miles isn't such a long way to go after all (it isn't!!)
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munchh pumper
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On 4/23/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
nice work munchh!
now if you could just figure out that rain thing...
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finished slalom fish
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On 4/23/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Finished at last and its just started to rain, good old english weather??
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flatwave
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On 4/22/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
i think so!
that's the board you made him, right?
i had a chance to ride it very briefly before we headed out on a ride a week or so ago. what a beautiful board! impressive quality there.
i'll definitely have to check it out a bit more and seek out some grooves on it.
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barefoot
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On 4/21/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey Derek, have you seen Jame's Flatwave?
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Those pesky hobbits?
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On 4/21/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
No just a US 10?
What i mean is that i'm very into making a deck that has as much or little for what you want it to do (i'm making everyone suck eggs for a minute), i see alot of people riding slalom decks with their feet hanging over, because the deck is too narrow, my front foot is only just bigger than the deck, so i'm hoping for the most control possible and i should be able to run cones just as tight as its not wider than my foot. The 20" WB puts me over both trucks, its just different from my others as the dimentions were 1st and the shape had to fit around them, it really was meant to look the way it does. blah blah....
I think you get it, i'm pleased!
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munchh machine
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On 4/21/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
that is one nice lookin' board there, mr. munchh. impressive!
you were saying you made it to your foot size- you have big feet too? it's nice that you can just whip something up like that to meet your needs ;)
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kid in a candy shop...
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On 4/21/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Thanks lady,
its the 1st one i've made to my stance and foot size, i have made alot just on shape and then end up drilling loads of holes getting the best ride, i think everyone with the least amount of woodworking skills and simple tools should try a Roarockit kit, the 1st one gave me the know how to make my own mould and this little beauty.
If i had the money i would definatly get Roe to make one of my shapes in their lovely carbon, but if this rides how i meant it to, there'll be not getting rid of this little girl Homer giggle i've got goin on, hehe.
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Munchh's hot ride!
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On 4/21/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Wow Munchh, what a hot ride you've got going there! I love the look of that board. Gonna dance your way through the cones with that, for sure!!!
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not so twitchy short board pumper?
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On 4/21/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
I should probly put this on the 'homemade' page, but i enjoy your lots stoke about stuff, so here it is.
9mm thick, 29.5" long, 9.5" just behind the front truck, 7.5" at the rear truck, the concave came out just right and a little twist of fate means it has a bit of a rocker more towards the tail, its stiff with my weight, i'm so happy with how it came out. This is the 1st mock up, it gets varnish and a fancy grip job tommorow...i'm coming to get you, you cones you.hehe.
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skumpy
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On 4/21/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey you guys-
thanks for the comments. it is awesome to get your feedback on this stuff- it totally helps me see new areas that i need to work on.
i have to agree with Al- i'm excited, and i have lots of energy, but i'm not using it in the most efficient way, to put it gently. James has really developed an efficient motion that he can now even use on the steeper inclines. he is very connected with the ground. His experimental board is well matched to his style- it's low, it doesn't have a lot of bounce, and it generates a ton of energy from lateral motion. (james' board is the one with the pink wheels- i forget what those things are called.)
james has a constant connection with the ground which is awesome for a million reasons. My approach is a bit more raw, and definitely not as fluid and seasoned. I've been trying to apply the ideas from the book "Chi Running" by Danny Dreyer to my boarding, hence the awkward-looking arm swing, the alternating leg thing, and god knows what else. the upper body/lower body balance is something that i have been trying to work on, and now with the video, i can see i've got lots more work to do ;)
thanks again to al, munchh, and erin for your comments. i totally appreciate it.
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How to Pump