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More skumping in the U.K.
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On 5/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.142.nnn.nnn)
Hey Tarin,
would be interested where you have been getting them in the U.K. I had loads of trouble finding them over here and ended up getting a nice man i know to send one from the states!! (the cx that is) Click here for link check out my Skumping page, it needs updating as i've tried alot of setups now, but it has all about Randels on there.
I go along with Derik, the 180's are ok, but once i changed to the 160mm downhills, it was alot easier to pump and keep it up, the 150's i'm asuming would be better still, i've just started using Tracker RTS/RTX 106mm, so its all down to prefrence (pics of that setup soon boys and girls), but how about these 'UB' trucks, Octane sports are doing them, they are virtually the same as Randal's, but the finish to them is far better and they come in 150/180 and they are cheaper and you wont have to re drill the bolt holes.........gotto catch my breath
Click here for link this is them, give Michael a call he's a very nice man, I cant coment on the CX's as to be honest i've not got on very well with them, but 150mm Randel/UB's would be a good choice i think, if your using a standard type truck at the back with the C7, just but one 150mm and check my page for how to wedge them, it works for me??
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long distance duribility
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On 5/24/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
I am liking the Carver CX's as my first choice for long distance pumping too.
Interesting to define 'long distance' though eh? For me I consider 20 - 40 km long distance.
And also, as Derek pointed out, how fast a truck wears out is a big factor in this sport. I am curious to see how the Holeys will wear and, therefore, how long they last. Durability is put to the test with the repetive motion of ldp for sure.
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pumping trucks
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On 5/24/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey tarin!
i pumped on randall 180s for a couple years before switching over to the 150s- the wider hanger is nice for stability on downhills, but as for pumping it required a bit too much work to keep a groove going.
recently i've been a big fan of the carver cx trucks. the c7s felt a little too wiggly for me, but they are nice for leisurely rides. carvers are great, especially for the uphill stuff- inclines that were tough with the randalls are no problem with the carvers.
the one thing i am finding with the carver cx though, is that i need to replace them about every 500 miles or so (which is, coincidentally, what is recommended for running shoes). the aluminum (is that what the hanger is made of?) around the kingpin gets chiseled away from pumping, and the round hole becomes oval-ish, resulting in a loss of precision. at lower speeds, it's not such a disadvantage, but the inefficiency does add up at higher speeds and on longer rides. i recently bought a set of carver cxs that i am just using on special occasions. it's amazing how different they feel!
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long distance pumping
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On 5/24/2006
tarin
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(84.64.nnn.nnn)
i ride carver C7's that keep breaking on me.. and while i really like them, i cant afford to keep replacing them. so maybe its time to switch trucks.
my set-up has been a cloud 9 flexy on C7s, 1 inch hard flat risers, and 70mm 78a kryptonic route wheels.
i mostly do flatland pumping with a lot of inclines, often long (to me, long is about 3 miles, i get pretty tired after that, especially if the road is very gritty) distance pumping, and occasionally i bomb hills.
does anyone here have any recommendations? how are randal 180s for pumping? james seems to like RTR trucks a lot and i wonder how similar they feel to carvers (and how durable they are in comparision).
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Holey trucks for LDP?
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On 5/23/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
When I met up with Longboardlarry at Danger Bay5 this weekend he handed me a pair of Holeys to try out. At first I was sceptical about how pumpable these trucks would be.
Today I mounted them on a Sandpiper and added some pink gummies just for the good looks of the set up and hit the seawall for a 6 km non-stop no-touch pump trial run.
My first impressions of these trucks for pumping were quite positive. The stock bushings felt similar in hardness to stock bushings in my Carvers. However due to the non removable kingpin I wasn't able to replace the stock pin with a longer one and therefore could not loosen the trucks to my preferred washer-spinning setting. In spite of being a little tighter than I like, the trucks pumped surprisingly well.
Time will tell how the bushings hold up and what type of bushings can be used in place of the stock Holey bushings.
At this point I will cautiously say that for causal pumping, at least, the Holeys can be relied upon.
I'll add more kilometres of pumping in the next few weeks and then report back with my findings over the long(er) haul.
In the meantime here are a few pix of my set up:
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41 MILES!!!!
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On 5/23/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
No Way!!! That's amazing!! James you monster. Way to rock on that board. What incredible speed for such a long distance. I am completely blown away. Wowsa.
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peters' mammoth ride
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On 5/23/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
holy moley!
congrats to james peters for pumping out an amazing 41 mile ride this past weekend. as if that's not impressive enough, he did it at an average pace of 4:50 per mile!
you can read about his ride in the "rides" section on pavedwave.com, or at the link below.
http://home.comcast.net/~jampet99/rides/rides01.html
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SKATE to work day May 19th!!
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On 5/19/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Its national bike, er...skate to work day today and I guess from the mileage stats so far one might deduce that four wheels really are more efficient than two?! ;-)
http://www.cbcef.org/btw/2006/cc.html
Today is 05/19/2006
Team Statistics:
Organization: AOL Seattle
Employees: 150
Name____________CommuteDays__RoundTrips__AvgMiles__TotalMiles
AOL_Wild_Bunch__47___________42.5________10.4_______443.1
R.B.____________4____________4.0_________16.0_______64.0
B.D.____________8____________7.5_________6.0________45.0
B.H.____________10___________9.5_________6.2________58.5
M.H.____________3____________3.0_________5.0________15.0
J.K.____________1____________1.0_________8.0________8.0
M.L.____________6____________5.5_________7.0________38.5
M.L.____________3____________3.0_________10.6_______31.8
N.M.____________0____________0.0_________0.0________0.0
James_Peters____9____________6.5_________25.0_______162.5
S.P.____________3____________2.5_________7.7________19.8
Great to hear your board impressions Derek, I'm very interested to know how the rear Seismics do on the long rides -- keep your C-clips in place!
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pavedwave deck
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On 5/16/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the review Derek. Sounds sweeeeeeet!
Can't wait for mine to arrive!
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pavedwave ldp
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On 5/15/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
yeeha!
i got my pavedwave ldp, set it up, and got it out for a quick 5 mile ride this afternoon. i set it up with a carver cx truck on the front (stacked with three 1/2 inch risers) and a seismic on the back raised up an inch. The 75 mm avilas (are they all 75mm?) were causing a bit of wheel bite on anything less.
i was hesitant to start off with the carver rear truck, just because it seemed a bit wide to be generating anything off the back. but at top speed, i definitely could have used it. the seismic was feeling a bit wiggly.
i maxed out at a flatland pump speed of about 16.3 mph, which felt kinda quick on an unfamiliar board. it definitely has a lot of life to it, and i'm sure there's tons of good stuff to discover on this board.
there's lots of foot space (it feels like standing on a baseketball court), it's light and quick, and it maintains momentum surprisingly easy. i've been a hard sell on moving toward a shorter wheel base, but i can definitely see where this board pays off with its combination of responsiveness and ability to maintain high speeds for extended times. A quicker cadence (like the slalom folk have) would play right into the strength of this baby.
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zags
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On 5/11/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
where the zags shine is in rebound erin, so if you're pumping into your turns with some good torque, the zags will return the favor. 70's right? Bounce-ilicious. maybe someday chris will release the reflex Gummies in 80 and 83?!?!?!?!?
thx for the comment on the diagram, it saves us all a bunch (more) of my babble ;-)
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zig zags and more
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On 5/11/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
I've been using them on my slalom deck, but i've been pumping round the carpark at work when i finnish, for about 15-20mins, or once my front foot has had enough. They are nice wheels, but i do still slide the back out if i dont bend my rear leg enough when pumping, but the longer board will change this i hope, i like my 72a flashbacks.
I've been getting on so well with these RTX/RTS trackers, that i've got some more coming to put a different skumping setup together, i'm gonna use the flashback on them with probly a 36" deck, wedged at the front about 15 degrees and 10 dewedged at the back, should be fun and i'll definatly try the zig-zags, although i've only got the 66m 80a's.
should have them soon so will let you know, my mile loop has been taking about 6 mins, but only one way and theres a hill at the end, been busy so havent tried the other way yet, will wait for the new set up i think?
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zig zags for skumping?
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On 5/11/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
At 70 mm and 80/83a my Zig Zags are not going to give me the cushy ride that my big soft Avilas do but I think I'll try them anyhow. I wonder if they'll feel any faster given there is less mass to get going? But then again there will be less mass to keep things going too so maybe it will equal out.
Anyone used the Zags for LDP yet?
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cyber mile challenge!
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On 5/11/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Ready for some times! I'm hoping eventually we have a good range of times and see where it goes. Going for a beer run should be in the 8-10 minute range. Anywhere from 4 to 5 minutes is charging it. If you post under 4 minutes then we'd better get together and hit a track!
CYBER MILE PAGE
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ldp boxing
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On 5/11/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
James, those diagrams and explanations are going to be so helpful. It will be a godsend for those new to the sport and a big help for those already thorughly addicted. Maybe its just my kinestetic nature, but I found the written descriptions of pumping rather hard to follow and therefore not that helpful when learning to actually do the technique. The diagrams will be very useful and I think most of all videos to demonstrate the technique(s) are the absolute BEST teaching aid.
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boxing
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On 5/11/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
erin, i'm working on some 'how to' shorts for the site which are just additions to shapeshifter's and gesmer's detailed pump essays -- not to "re-invent the pump" but rather append bits from our flavor of riding. Over distances I'm using all kinds of pumps to balance the body, and just to make things interesting. Pumping into strong wind is a great demo on how the upper body adds strength to your pumps, but I definately prefer the stillness of sunrise rides with practically zero wind! The afternoons have been crazy windy here as well...
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Jam'ing and LDP arm techniques
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On 5/10/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Hey Oldstoke, an 80 inch board would definitely be awesome for another flavour of board dancing for sure.
The variety dished up in the sport of skateboarding never ceases to amaze me.
Yesterday I slipped away for another one of my favourite 23 km pump seawall skates. I had a strong headwind for the first half of the outting. We have been having these uncharacteristically strong winds for over a week now. At first I found it a bit discouraging to pump into the relentless wind. Like James has stated, it is very much like pumping uphill. I must admit to not enjoying how slow the progress was.
Then I decided to change my mindset and play with the 'opportunity' more. So I started to experiment with technique in a light hearted way. To my surprise I discovered that getting the elbow of my leading arm up a little higher and speeding up the cadence of that arm's pumping served to improve the speed and power of my board pumping significantly.
Prior to that I had evolved my arm technique to a point where my hands were quite close together, elbows down at my sides and it seemed that often the rear arm was moving more vigorusly than the lead arm. I have found that the 'shadow boxing' movement that James and other employ when pumping is indeed a very streamlined and efficient one.
The adjustment of the lead arm was a relatively small tweak in terms of technique but I was impressed by how big the impact was on my speed. It just goes to show that there is still so much more to learn about what makes flatland pumping work and a lot of the technique discoveries will be unique to each individual skater depending on their body type, fitness level and equipment set up.
I think Derek has experimented a bit with variations on arm/elbow positioning and James too, you guys might want to add some thoughts on this aspect of LDP technique.
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pumping pintails
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On 5/10/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
We're too far from the sub-station for DSL, and never hooked up to cable in order to keep the family playing outside rather than in front of the box.
It works, somewhat.
I don't recall any pintail pics, but we do have one other- it's just a cheapo generic $59 complete.
My skumping was going pretty good until the two-wheeled Gravity Classic Concave incident I posted about. I'll never pump THAT board again! ( the Swept up nose did me in).
You're right about the dancing on the board, great way to stay fit while having fun at the same time.
Our oldest son wants to get an 80" Jam Silverback, for cross-stepping to the nose, dropped knee turns, etc. That should be alot of fun as another "alternative" boarding activity.
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more wheels and truck babble
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On 5/9/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Zogs, could you buy the 'Vents and test them for me? ;-) Budget is tapped for a bit, too many bouncy wheels purchased in the last couple months. Look like they might be a touch lighter and if the urethane's like a HotSpot, they be grippy. Yeah I've been on the Splits a lot more lately, and they ARE smooth - much depends on bushing selection. I'm running Khiro and Stims combinations with a perfect rebound.
Erin, as for Trackers v. the others my initial impression from slalom setups is Trackers turn 'differently'... hard to say better or worse, I think this one really boils down to preference. Seems like the Splits might take less effort, my Trackers (mid tracks and race tracks) seem to work best on a stiffer deck where you crank your turns a little harder. Good for sprints but I haven't set them up really loose to try significant pump mileage. I do major wedging, like bend-your-bolts wedges, that makes them turn tons better. Poor person's version indeed! -- I often think of the skatepark guys that show up occasionally to slalom on flippy park decks with stiff-ish Indys and crappy wheels -- and still smoke the course!
Oh yeah Sunday Salem was a cancel due to rain, kinda bummer but we did a garage cyber session I posted results on CSA forum. That was the ONLY rainy day this week?!?!
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Dial up and dancing
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On 5/9/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Whoah, don't know many that are still on dial up. Good on you to save some coin on you connection so that you have it to spend it on new boards .
Cruising on the G&S sounds sweet. Another pin to join the pintail quiver - if I recall a pic from a while back, you are a big fan of pintails, right?
So now when are you going to try set up one of those boards for a little bit of pumping? You know having those bare feet on a deck instead of the ground, dancing on the wood, isn't such a bad thing. Kind of like being out for a night of dancing but better in that you're out in the fresh air, sunshine, and there's no cover charge!
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New Caledonia Vid
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On 5/9/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
Tried to view it, but we are STILL on dial-up, so no dice. Next time I can tap into a broadband connection I'll be sure to check it out. I could have done so today after work, but I opted for cruising on the G&S pintail instead. Stopped off for a snack when half done, and even here in Detroit, no shirt, no shoes, no problem. (MUST have been the board).
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REVENGE TRUCKS
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On 5/8/2006
J
wrote in from
United States
(71.67.nnn.nnn)
I think that they only come in one size. I'm dying to try mine out as they just got here.
J
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"no shoes, no problem"
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On 5/8/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Ooooooooo, OldStoke, you temptor...."no shirt, no shoes, no problem". 16 mile round trip - pumpable. Surfing, skiming.....ahhhhhhhhhh....
btw, did you see that sweet vid on the 'fish by the New Caledonia skater on his LBL - sans shoes? I thought you might like it.
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Flatland pump destinations
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On 5/8/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
We pushed the 8 miles each way, but you could have easily pump of course, to watch the launch of an Atlas 5 rocket carrying a communications satalite at Cape Canaveral. Ate fish outside at Port Canaveral, and skated back to the beach for more skimming and surfing. Under the influence of the Gulf Stream, not one of the thousands of surfers had anything more than a rash guard on.
Twenty four hours a day, no shirt, no shoes, no problems.
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now that's a dream come true
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On 5/7/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
OldStoke, the way you describe Cocoa Beach is so dreamy....I can almost feel the sand between my toes and a new deck in hand... Definitely high on my list of holiday spots now....
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How to Pump