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G&S slalom
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On 6/8/2001
BoBo
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Figured I'd post a pic of my "New" set-up. The Indys aren't staying but they do turn well. As soon as those darn NOS Gullwing Phoenix's come in they are going straight on it. The Kryptos probably won't make the cut due to wheel bite but with these trucks it isn't a factor. Heck I may even keep it like this it works so well. The deck has a new decal and grip tape I did myself and it came out OK I think.
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Show/9819/fibreflex.JPG
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Dreams
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On 6/7/2001 Dave G
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SimFucious:
Madd Hack Has a very good point!!!! Continue doing what got you to the point of admiring equiptment, But don't keep discarding,revamping,purchasing,It'll get you nowhere!!! Get used to your set-up, challenge it,experiment w/what you or your buddies have. Then, and only then proceed to the next level of acquirements!!! Skill, my lad, skill ...is the supreme requirement! Gear is second!!! Now, Get out there and ride ride ride
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hugh r's recollection
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On 6/7/2001
Mad Hack
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I'm right there with you there hugh. I hear about all this people with all these decks, trucks, wheels leftover! Man, I wrote to Bennett three or four times and they sent me baseplates free of charge (didn't they make metal plates late in the game?) and I had to wait 'til they got the letter and I got the plates, checking the bloody box every day....
Anyway, I always made decks (not many of them great, but what I could afford) and you could also rent boards at the park, which was a good way to try them out. I tried this Biniak Bullett with hand coned white snakes (you can imagine how narrow the footprint was) on fulltracks. I saved for weeks to buy that board but it was gone when I got there. I finally got an Alva prototype (looks like an ash laminate, or VERY open grained maple if it isn't) with fulltracks and green snakes. Man I took pictures of that board. 'Hated to stick bumpers and rails on it and the power pivot wore out pretty quick (both sides), so it got pretty hacked but it's still my board. I put some copers and bones cubics on it (bad idea) and didn't ride again for ten years, broke a kingpin first day out and during the lull in skateboarding the only skateshop I could find wanted 18 bucks for a baseplate. Didn't really ride again for ten more years. My point is that I've never thought of parts as interchangeableor replaceable at whim, which is probably why I still have my gear, as used and worthless on ebay as it is.
Life and times have changed. And now that I want a pair of Seismics and can afford them, like everything else in my skategear history it seems, there aren't any!
MH
ps. SimFucious, if you're reading this, spend more time dreaming about the gear you want while you're riding the stuff you've got...
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katana!!!
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On 6/7/2001 Dave G
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Herbn:
Now it's starting to come back to me! Yes 24" standard Banzai sounds correct.28" On the other is also fam. but the few I recall were of the polished/glossed gold. If I remember, had white silk screened lettering I know they made variuos colors in the "deluxe" model Gold /Black/and I believe I remember a BLOOD Red.The most important thing to take into consideration is "WHY ARE WE RELIVING THE NIGHTMARE?" I had a 24"purple machette w/xcalibers/rr2's.
As GBJ stated as to the danger factor,I think if they'd have come w/ a sheath,Maybe, just Maybe, They'd have been used in the gulf war!!!!!
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Banzai!!!
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On 6/6/2001 Herbn
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24 was regular i think 28 was the longer shortly made model.Polished Red
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Banzai ankle biter
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On 6/6/2001
BoBo
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I had tried a aluminum board back then and thought "Why aluminum?". They didn't flex right [I was much lighter then]. And just thought they were a fad. Always had the wood under me. Although the RR #2's were it! Then when I got the RR #6's I thought "Man are those 2's slow!". I guess my favorit set-up from those days was the Fibreflex with the Gully's and I had tried different wheels till I settled on the Park Riders. I wish I had those boards now. Not for eBay fodder mind you., I'd never part with em. But all those set-ups I mentioned must be worth a small fortune today. They weren't cheap back then. I was looking at the pix that Adam put up and said damn! Those things weren't cheap then. Still need a set of OJ Superjuice. Anyone got some un-used? Yeah right! I'm gonna cut out the order form and send it in and order a whole bunch from Val Surf. Maybe they'll send me what I order!!!!
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Limited Editions
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On 6/6/2001
GBJ
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Sorry, samurai ankle-chopper, I never even knew there was a limited edition Banzai produced. It probably just didn't catch my attention. Kind of like a Deluxe, Gold-Package Yugo.
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Banzaiblade
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On 6/6/2001 samurai
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GBJ-
Tap into your fountain...Do you recall the name of the "limited" Banzais? I believe they were larger,But I know they had a gloss Black,sometimes Gold finish on them,Well at least before they were honed down to a metallic razor edge!!! Yeah, I remember them being banned as well! Psst... Were showing our age
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Banzai Ankle-Chopper
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On 6/6/2001
GBJ
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The Banzai aluminum double-kicktail was one of the most vicious weapons ever unleashed on skatekind, under the misleading title of "skateboard". Drag that tail and/or nose through a few wheelies and, viola!, you have a four-wheeled, high-speed razorblade. Our local park banned them, almost as soon as it opened. Banzai was, pretty much, a done deal by then anyway
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heavy metal
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On 6/6/2001
Dave G.
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Yo..BOBO,
I can't believe that w/ your stash,You never had the classic Xcaliber/RR#2's all underneath....Are you ready?...............BANZAI double kick aluminium (mine was purple!)
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Vintage Skateboarder Magazine Scans
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On 6/6/2001 Adam
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These are most excellent. Enjoy!
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Gullys and Dave G's thoughts
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On 6/5/2001
BoBo
wrote in from
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Yes thoseRR#2'kicked butt they were just the $hit! Loved em so much. The board I had before that was a Black Night with clay wheels UUGHH! But I learned well enough. Then came the board that my step brother gave me. G&S kisktail with HGP iv's and RR #6's. I couln't begin to get over the ride! It was like Knight and day [pun intended!]. I loved that board so much. Learned my first 360 on it. Then I gave that to my brother and went with a Bahne 30 with Bennets and Park Riders. Even smoother! The I got a Santa Cruz with Powerflex 5's and ACS 500's. Loved that till my Principal took it away for me riding down the hallways at school [the dick!]. My Mum went to school and got it back and all was good again. The I got a Santa Cruz Duane Peters with trackers and G&S Rollerballs. Killer set-up! Gave that to my brother and got a Shogo Airbeam with Indys and Bones cubics. Gave that to my brother [He was a lucky guy. Sides I had the paper route!]. Went to a Sims Andrecht with Trackers and UFO double conicals [Frikking huge wheels!] Didn't like that set-up [had to buy em untried from Val Surf!]. My last board before girls and guitar became my main focus was a Dogtown [Forget the model] with Gullwing pros and Gyros. Then I didn't skate till last year. Still have the Andrecht and the dogtown deck. My brother left the Shogo on a bus in Baltimore, and the rest just disappeared over time. Do I love this sport! I rode for the Pepsi all American team in the 70's and had to buy my own boards unless they were the ones that were free for the team. If I remmber correctly they were Hobie and Variflex junkers so I bought my own. Skated Cherry Hill a few time as well as a few parks in NH. Other than that it was my Rampage we made in my back yard that got all the use and where I cut my chops. AHH the memories!
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breaking stuff
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On 6/5/2001
hugh r
wrote in from
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Back in the day at our house...
Skate stuff wasn't bought for us. A set of wheels or trucks took months of mowing neighbors lawns and pulling weeds. My dad would make us our decks until we were old enough to cut our own.
We skated hard, but we didn't break our stuff. A broken truck or board meant no skating (not a trip to the store to buy more!) So we took care of our stuff... it was too hard to come by.
When we graduated to bank and pool riding, the only trucks that would hold up to our abuse and size (my brother and I have both been average size since our mid teens) were the trackers. They were tough trucks!
We heard about the strokers, but no one had ever riden them and the cost (a hundred bucks a pair or some other un-godly amount) was just too much for us youngsters to scrape up. But if I'd have only known... I'd have a dozen sets right now!!! Same with the Z flexes and Tofts and Alvas... the list goes on.
RR 2's were fine until we got the 4's... which worked fine until we got the 6's... then all paled when I got my first set of orange Kryptonics... heaven on earth! With a set of Germans those wheels would roll on nearly flat ground for miles! No kidding... miles!
I am personally glad for the guys who have stashed away the good stuff for years and now are cutting it loose on e-bay. So I say save your old bitchen stuff! Ride the crap out of the new stuff, most of it's better anyway... then when you want some extra cash, or you feel like sharing the love, sell that old minty vintage skate stuff.
I'll tell you what I am doing... I am trying to get my hands on every odd ball peice of new skate technology out there... doesn't matter if it doesn't ride well... I am saving it just the same. The bitchen stuff is just iceing on the cake.
So what are going to be the collectables of 2030? Who knows... maybe Comp II's, Numbchucks, Pickles, Economys, Flowlab? Who knows... buy two of everything... ride one, save one! That's what I say!! HR
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Yo DONt KNOW BO
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On 6/5/2001 Dave G.
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YO' BO
Preach it to the punks of this site!!! I too was from the excaliber era. Didn't those R.R#2's kick? Sealed bearings and all!!! No more worries on the free bearings for a change!!! Then ,After years of Bennetts/ Trackers/ XBJ's/ACS's /Bahne?etc... Gull Wing HPG's arose!!! I've been riding 26 years now and still own the 2 sets of HPG's I got in the 70's!! I might also add, The Mid/Half/ Full Trackers are still in use to me. Nothin' wrong w/ liking one over the other! Free enterprise/choice. But why cut on something soo many of us like and enjoy just for the simple reason, you're unable to play with things w/o breaking them?
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Gullwing HpG's and Phoenix
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On 6/5/2001
BoBo
wrote in from
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Since I never suggested using GW's for pool or hill bombing I don't see why they can't [And will] be used for slalom. They turn on a frikkin dime, have height, and are just plain the funnest design out there [Barring Strokers that didn't turn!]. And I want my set-up vintage. Besides I cut my teeth on those things and I yet to break em, and that includes my teen years of just thrashing and not worrying about vintage value. I maintain their validitiy and plan on proving it with a set of cones as my proving ground. Even though I weigh 205 and not a svelt 140 of my teen years I feel they will hold up under the most harrowing thrashins I plan on giving em. Ans if not on go the Indy 101's that reamin in my bag-O-tricks. Plus I have a nice choice of wheels to go along with em. OJ slalom, TO green OJ copies, Kryptos Blue c-62's and Krypto cored purples from the early 80's. Bring the Labeda's and whatever you got.I think I'll fair just well. Oh and riding style will be a factor to [DUH]. I'm gonna give em all a go when the Gullys come in and give all a fair assesment. More to come.
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Gullwings/Strokers
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On 6/5/2001 Glen
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I remember owning a set of the Gullwing Classics, which were their first, rollerskate/tracker style truck. They were real tough but real heavy. I remember the Gullwing HPG's being really the thing for slalom but outside of that, they didn't really work. The Strokers were on all the downhill cars because they didn't turn. Hester even made a joke about them at Morro Bay. I remember looking at them sit in Val Surf's truck/wheel case for ever. I wish I owned them for Ebay reasons now.
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Best 70's era slalom truck
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On 6/5/2001 Pre-School Rider
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As much as I love my vintage Trackers(the three pair that Survived my adolesence),my two favorite slalom trucks of 'the day' were California Slalom with the 7" axle,and the Energy trucks(either in 6" or 7").You could grind on Trackers in a pool,because they could be had with Copers,which protected the hanger and kept the kingpin from grindage for a little while.The California Slaloms sat lower,and the kingpin stuck out below the hanger,so one grind,and,well..Either you saw a doctor,and/or bought new baseplates.In a race course,the Slaloms ripped nicely,staying both quick and stable,and as lonng as that kingpin didn't catch on something,they stayed together.The Energy trucks turned in like Bennets,nice and quick,with deep,smooth turning action.Unlike Bennets,the baseplates didn't crack,and the hangers protected the kingpin,so grinds were do-able,right up to when your pivot snapped off in the cup.The Energy's wobbled something fierce at high speeds,just like Bennets,but without those pesky plastic parts flying off.NOTHING from the seventies really stood up to abuse for very long,except Oak decks,which usually were too heavy to do anything but bomb hills with anyhow.If you rode stuff from back then,and didn't break parts,you're a former WUSSY.However,if your skating got good(read 'smooth and stylish')enough to keep board parts from being broken,then more power to you-you've transcended upwards to being a soul surfer,not just any hack who happens to skate.I still screw up old boards and equipment from time to time,but have developed a tiny bit of that 'touch' that keeps some of my vintage stuff alive and ridable.When the angst hits me,I grab boards from the mid-80's,ones that don't break when I f#&k-up a grind in the deep end of the pool.
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Gullwings/Strokers
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On 6/5/2001
Jack
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I rode the original Gullwing split axles on my slalom boards throughout the 70's and 80's. The only problem I ever had was when I mounted a set on my longboard that I used for ditch and resevoir skating...snap!
Strokers were made by the people who brought you Indy's, though they sure don't like for people to remember that.
I used Strokers on the front of my skatecar, they worked great. Henry Hester used them on his skatecar also. I never have tried them on a stand-up board.
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Gullwing
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On 6/5/2001 Dave G.
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Re: Wings and strokers. You guys obviously like Nascar over Indy, Magic markers over fine tip pens/Boys over girls!!!
the purpose of these trucks is a balance between finese and aggression. on the same note,Most slalom riders of age have boards that are over 20 yrs old. it's called respect for FINE craftmanship We don't walk on our pant legs/use our boards as walking sticks GENERATION GAP MY BOYS You just never made it to the next step in the sport!!! Blend in if you must slalom's here to stay I trust!!!!
P.S. Enjoy
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Gullwings
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On 6/5/2001 Duane
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kkc's pretty much right...they would have broken in a second in vert riding. Hell, they broke in a second on the street. That's why I took mine off, stuck them in a box, barely scratched. Great geometry and concept, poor execution with the weak kingpin. Then again, at that time (pre-indy) pretty much everything but trackers broke in a second. We actually thought Strokers were a joke, I've still never seen any first hand.
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Gullwings
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On 6/5/2001 KKC
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OK....about these supposed genius gullwing trucks. I pool skated in the late 70's and would not have been caught dead with a set. Nor did I know anyone who actually used them, I did not hang around the downhill guys so can't speak for them. If my memory serves me right, we saw them as well....prissy. But then again we saw elbow pads as prissy...go figure.
KKC
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OJ Hot Juice
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On 6/4/2001 Use your gear
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I had an old (NEW) set of OJ Hot Juice sitting in a box.
I put them on my board and they kick butt!
Use your skateboard equipment, don't stuff it away.
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Gullwings Forever
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On 6/4/2001
BoBo
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I guess I'm just emotionally attached to these trucks. But like GBJ so nicely put it the man that invented them is/was a genius. Thanks for the tip Pre School Rider. I looked at the trucks and could see the Randal thing clear! But hey they started the thing with the angled kingpin so why not. Got the e-mail from the guy in England. Said he got my MO and they'll be on their way shortly [My Phoenix pair]. Looking so forward to slapping em on my G&S slalom and ripping up the cones.I'm vintage so why shouldn't my board be?
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Teeth?
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On 6/4/2001 Dave G
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PhysCho
If, I'm not mistaken the teeth work best just under the horns.Right over the Devil Tail
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Tracker Trekkers
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On 6/4/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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hugh r: Pretty funny, quite the conundrum. I guess that's why they went to you. I could never have the heart to pull those appart...
...and you thought I was doing you a favor.
See ya Swerve,
Alan Sidlo
P.S.: I am shaping those decks I told you about and having a great time. One question though: Where is the preferred placement for teeth on a slalom deck?
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