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On 6/16/2006 silversurfer
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I would love to try some Orignial S8's on the Roe LDP deck.
I think I might prefer that set up to the LDP/Carver cx set up.
Not sure though.
I might try it when I finally get the deck.
Might be sort of like Yandall's set up.
38" with s8's.
I could always switch the trucks.
It would not be exlusively for pumping like my last distance pumping rig.
That set up was good for LDP (I guess) but not for general skating.
I would be trying to create a more versatile set up.
Pump, skog, carve, cruise.
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Original trucks...
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On 6/16/2006
silversurfer
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Hey all!
I've been lurking here because I have not had much to add to the converstation.
Not doing much LDP. Actually I never really got up to loong distance.
I guess what I do is medium distance pumping (MDP?).
But in response to clem's question....
Original's pump well.
Not quite as well as Carvers, but I think they are more versatile.
Both are great as are sidewinders.
Chris Yandall uses Original trucks on a 38" board for pumping and skogging.
Check out his comments and photos on his 'skogging' forum here.
Also check out www.pumpyourdeck.com
and www.skogging.com
And of course www.pavedwave.com (gear secton).
I hope everyone is doing well!
Pump on!
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ORIGINAL SKATEBOARDS + pumping
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On 6/15/2006
clem
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heyy guys,
has anybody tried pumping on an original skateboards board/trucks? if you don't know, original trucks use a SINGLE spring system and non-conventional bushings. the return to center is nuts.
if anyone has pumped with an original board, how tight do the trucks have to be? i'm learning and i'm having a hard time pumping... i have the Custom 35 board, which is 35" long , and the trucks are 200mm.
again, the trucks have an amazing turn radius because of the spring/bushing system. thanks!
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8MM Seismics-
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On 6/15/2006
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
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Contact Dan Gessmer @ Siesmic Skate Systems for pricing and availability,
Thanks
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precision seismic!
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On 6/15/2006
peters
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United States
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Heard about this and just talked with Dan about my "seismic stiks" which are kinda similar. They might be good on LDP but gotta test! Might use one as rear... how muchy? pavedwave@comcast.net
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Seismic 130 LDP trucks
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On 6/15/2006
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
(65.127.nnn.nnn)
My shop, Monkeywrench machine Works, has been doing precision 8mm axle conversions on trucks for about 5 years. I did a run of 8mm axle aluminum Seismics for Dan @ Seismic in 90, 100, and 130mm hanger widths. The 90s and 100s are nearly sold out, but the 130's didn't move fast since it's a special use truck for slalom, essentially only for really big GS courses.
I just tried a set out on a Chris Yandall deck with some soft Gumballs, and it turns out they're not GS trucks.
They're LDP trucks. They're perfect. The springs are available in a wide range of rates, and you can tune them easily. The fact that the return to center is effected with springs rather than bushings, and that the hanger pivots on a shaft rather than on bushings means that almost no energy is lost in the pumping process.
I'm finishing up the sets of these. I'd suggest a pair with the steep baseplate front and stable rear. Get a range of springs to experiment with...
These things work REALLY well.
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Tracker rtx/s combo
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On 6/14/2006
Kasmar
wrote in from
United States
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I know that there are some guys out there trying out the Trackers for distance, I'm interested as to how it's working out. I've used them for slalom, and they've worked OK. Better for bigger courses. But I haven't tried them for distance. So, please share how it's going.
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DH snap... this ain't slalom baby!
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On 6/14/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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Dude come on wheres the concave and convex pumping article!? ;-) Gesmer would love it if I put in an order for 150,000 cones...
To dedicate this DH break to the pumping records, I'll be putting up a 'broken gear' page next to the pavedwave 'gear' page, someday in all my copious spare time . Nice one... Good thing you're planning on carbon fiber next time!
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landyachtz
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On 6/14/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
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hey thanks erin and munchh!
i don't know my speed when the board broke, but when it did i hopped off the board and found myself at a full running sprint that i couldn't maintain. it must have looked comical, but i made it about 5 steps before taking a dive straight onto the pavement as a runner and a biker looked on. nice and humbling, for sure...
i was about 7 miles out on a ride, but luckily i was still able to ride the very front of the board all the way back. the back of the deck scraped a bit on the pavement, but there was no way i was going to walk all the way home. i'm just lucky i'm not an ultra distance guy like peters- not sure what i'd do if i broke down 21 miles out!
geezer posted something not long ago about the swing vs. the twist, and the dropdeck was an interested study. the board itself felt like being on a swing, with the power coming from weighting at the center of the pump, and unweighting at the extremes. on a board with a bit more ground clearance, i find the opposite pumping technique- weighting at the extremes, and unweighting in the middle- to come in handy more often. concave and convex pumping, i guess :) (i imagine there is something written about all this stuff, but it's all new to me...)
despite the break, i'm still diggin' the landy thing. i'm dreaming of getting that carbon evo, but the first thing on the shopping list now is a new dh for peters.
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ooops
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On 6/13/2006
Munchh
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United Kingdom
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sorry wrong way round, Derek!!
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Breakboard speed?
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On 6/13/2006
Munchh
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United Kingdom
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Your an animal JP. ouch!
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DH
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On 6/12/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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Derek that's amazing. Just goes to show you the power of the pump! Those DH's are pretty sturdy boards. Clearly YOU ARE A MONSTER PUMPER!!!
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landy
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On 6/12/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
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peters- here's my public apology. remember that landyachtz dh you lent me last week?
uhhh...
here's what it looks like right now
i wasn't using it like a trampoline or anything- i swear! i was in a pretty good groove though, and i guess i found that one spot where it couldn't support my big bum...
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landyachtz
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On 6/12/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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landy
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On 6/12/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
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has anyone done much pumping on the landyachtz boards?
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old pumper
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On 6/12/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Yeah he does make me feel old, little wotsit.
See you next week.
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Friday
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On 6/12/2006 G7enn
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Munchh, I didn't realise it was a pumping setup until after the cones were packed up, though I did have a little fun running it through the easy straight 6' cones. Certainly less stressful than watching 11 year old Jack go through the tricky offset course way faster than I can on my slalom board...
I should be there on Friday.
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Friday fopah!!
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On 6/12/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Hey Glenn,
I cant beleive we've not spoken about this on a friday, i've always got my skumping setup with me, but the last few weeks nobody has been interested, i know you got down late last week, but if i'd known you were going for a ride along the front i would have hung around, next week mabie, if your comin??
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'Alternative' pumping setup
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On 6/12/2006
G7enn
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(80.229.nnn.nnn)
For the last year or so i've been really sold on Slalom boards for pumping, i'm not a real serious long distance pumper but i've been doing it (on and off) since the late '70s.
A couple of years ago I was really into my 38" Fibreflex pintail with a slightly wedged Seismic on the front and a sixtrack on the back and 75a Flashbacks.
More recently I felt I could beat it with a 32" Pocket Pistols foam cored Brown Bomber, RTX/RTS trucks and white Avalons.
A few months ago I fitted this deck with front and rear Splitfires, Lime/Lemon Zigzags and it worked even better for pumping. On finally checking this forum I could see it made sense. Loose trucks, lots of riser, it was basically a small pumping setup.
The problem is, I was less into the front Splitfire as a Slalom truck so last week I put an RTX back on the front of the slalom board and it performed much better through the cones.
More interestingly, I was looking at my pile of spare bits wondering what to do with the spare Splitfire. Because I liked the way the Splitfire worked on the back of the slalom board I stuck it on the back of my pintail with no risers, on the front I fitted an ancient stage 1 Indy 131 along with a steep wedge (half of an old tracker cell block cut diagonally, so the front of the baseplate touches the deck while the rear is raised by almost 1/2").
This board is low and loose. It has a white Khiro barrel and a white insert 'bottom' on the front, a Blue and a white barrel on the back. It also has my old white Avalons. The front wheels are a good 1/2" wider apart than the back (even though it's using as many Splitfire spacers as I could fit).
It probably runs at least an inch lower than the pumping setups i've seen here and riding with my foot over either truck is simply not an option. The board is just too narrow at those points with the top of the wheels running barely an inch below the deck. Basically it looked interesting but I didn't hold out a lot of hope that it'd be much of a pumper.
After the friday slalom session my kids and I went for a two mile cruise on the flat beach front path and I have to say that this thing is amazing. It took a while to find the best action but when I settled on standing almost completely sideways with my feet several inches in from the truck bolts on each end, then using a motion that was basically like running on the spot, I found this to be the best pumping setup i've ever used, it accelerated like nothing i've ever riden. I raced my son (who is much quicker than me through cones and much fitter than me) on his Slalom board and beat him easily. Sure, it was only a mile or so but I felt I could have riden four or five no problem. I now need to find a path round a lake or something so I don't have to drive nearly 40 miles to practice.
How does it feel different to other setups i've liked?
Back when I was using the Seismic/Tracker combo I was into the way that the springs returned almost all of the pump, on this setup it doesn't even feel like board lean is even a factor, i'm just rotating it relative to the line of travel. Sure, it obviously is leaning but it feels like that is a byproduct of the motion rather than the mechanism creating the motion. Clearly it's a bit of both but for me, pumping is a lot about perspective.
This setup is low, too flexible for me (I weigh around 250) with the wheelbase maximised (when I redrilled for oldschool trucks I put the new holes beyond the furthest standard ones to maximise the effectiveness of the cutouts). The ancient wedged Indy on the front has a lot of 'rake', old Indys mount the axles slightly further out than the more recent versions and the steep wedge maximises this. It's almost as far away as it's possible to get from Carver style geometry on the front. The board sags completely when I just stand on it, forget Camber the thing is a Rocker before I even start pumping, I guess this increases the turning on the already steep trucks even further. The thing actually bottomed out on the 3" tall bumps placed in the busiest part of the path.
Maybe it's just the change from what I had been pumping (front foot right over a Splitfire with lots of riser on my Slalom board) that is so striking.
Anyway, sorry for the long post. Just wondering if any of you serious distance pumpers had had success with seemingly counterintuative setups.
Glenn.
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short cx pumper
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On 6/10/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Hey Kel, the only thing is both those decks are a bit narrow for the width of CX hangar, so your wheels are stickin' out. I've used CX on a Pig kicktailed board 32" long and 9.5" wide, mounted the rear truck on the kicktail like they do with the AXE (to get a longer wheelbase) --was a fun little pumper. Also had a stiff 36" x 9.25" wide Flexdex mounted with CXs for a while. Flex isn't quite as important with a deck that short (with CX's, anyway...)
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Shorter Board (32-36") for pumping
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On 6/10/2006 Kel
wrote in from
United States
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Any thoughts on a shorter board for short to middle distance pumping? I live in NYC and want to get a shorter board for portability issues. I have a 38" Loaded that I tried some CX's on and it pumps much easier than with the RII's but I 'd like to get a smaller board that might be a bit easier to carry around and pack away. I was thinking about an Insect cutaway (34") or city bomber (32"). Any experiences with CX's
(6.5") on shorter boards?
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pump this pump that..........
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On 6/10/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Heys guys and gals,
been meaning to post as you have been getting real deep into the pump styles, i'll add my thoughts soon if i get a minute, i love this forum.
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longboardin heaven
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On 6/9/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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right on preach it brotha!! ;-) sounds like a great move tarin. would be great to see some pics from your journeys over there and what you're riding these days. i've noticed other countries i've lived or visited like japan and china, drivers are far more respectful or at least aware of peds and other-wheeled commuters, I hope that by longboard commuting every day it at least creates awareness here in the auto-centric U.S... its a long road ahead.
thanks for posting that C7 a while back, I've only snapped the spring coils but wow you must be putting some torque on that thing?!
and Andrea welcome, whether youre Canadian or Thai no matter, lets just make sure we get some northwest sessions going!!
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copenhagen
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On 6/9/2006
tarin
wrote in from
Denmark
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i've just moved to copenhagen, and pumping here is incredible. the city is almost completely flat, and the bike paths are wide, elevated slightly from the roads, and usually paved so smoothly you can hardly hear your wheels. and motorists are so used to dealing with hordes of cyclists that a skater in the road doesnt automatically freak them out. i havent been on a bus once, and im not going to get a bicycle. i take my board absolutely everywhere else and havent left the house once without it. long live longboards.
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randal casts
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On 6/9/2006
tarin
wrote in from
Denmark
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hey munchh,
bummer about your bunk randal casts. ive actually had problems (nothing major) with randal casts online too.. caveat emptor surely applies for the middle-man seller as well as the end-buyer.
i havent seen the urban blues, no, but i dont often go into shops. living in the highlands i just made do with the set-up i had, which was nice, but far from ideal for pumping, as was the terrain. however, things are definitely different now that im in copenhagen. i'll expand on this in my next post actually.
do you still have the .pdf randal-like trucks review? if you do, i'd like to see it please.
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