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Jack in Aurora
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On 4/3/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Hey Jack! How's your shoulder, dude? Hope your recovery is coming along well. Thanks too, by the way, for your tips on trucks...gonna get me a set of those originals soon!
Chris Yandall... Love the posse pic. Now sing " Life's been good to me so far..."
Skate on, yo.
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Get well, Jack-o
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On 3/30/2005 Steve-o in Az-o
wrote in from
United States
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Geez, Jack...can't take you anywhere.
Get well soon 'cuz the warm weather is comin'...and it looks pretty cloudy down there on MB, CY, probably a bit cool. You can tell! :-DB
I'm still wait'n to get my Geezerized Randal hangers back from G so I can set-up my boards again. I've also been trying to keep my wife sane through the crying fits of an infant with AR...bleh.
Back on the P-forum soon enough...everyone take care!
-=S=-
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Jack'ed Wrist ;(
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On 3/25/2005 cYa
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Well I'm getting senile in my old age and skogging/pumping was the call that day.
My buddy does www.MissionBeachGirls.com .
I hooked up with Lynn Kramer. Got her site set up at www.lynnkramer.com . Still gots some work to finish it. She's doiing it herself. wow. She's quite a skater! Best woman downhill skater in the world! But she doesnt know how to skog or pump the deck! I hope to change that :D
I'm hooking up with that crowd. Hope to do some masters division training cuz these guys go way fast and getting into the same planet of skating is way beyond my will to tackle the stuff again. But we'll see what Lynn can do to fire my ass back up on the hill(pumphouse).
cYa
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re: Busy in S.Cal
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On 3/24/2005
jack in aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
cya,
lookin good. are you pumpin or skoggin...;-) no skating for awhile for me. broke right arm at shoulder on 3/5/05 trying to pull a slide. got thrown. hard. when i can ride again i'll be back on the 38.
cheers,
jack in aurora
god rides a longboard.
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Busy in S.Cal
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On 3/24/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
 (courtesty of www.missionbeachgirls.com) :D
Still pumping away! Loving the MB boardwalk and the zoo that tags along.
cYa
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Good pumping board
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On 3/22/2005
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(129.133.nnn.nnn)
Hey all,
I was wondering what people thought of the sector 9 cosmic trylam as a pumping board. To me seems pretty similar in shape and size to the C-YA 38" but also is carbon fiber reinforced (some argue this gives better pump ability and snap)
I amd also building a Roarockit longboard with on of their kits which is like a slightly longer version on the CYA. I got some nice forward placed camber in the deck too.
I'll try running it with real loose Randal 180s and some big soft wheels when I finish pressing it and sand it down
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Seattle PUMPAPALOOZA at Marymoor Velodrome!
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On 3/7/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Long Distance Pump races in August / September 2005! (finding a date between Hood River and Morro...)
It's coming together -- preliminarily OK'd by King County and the Redmond Velodrome Association --
Tentative List of Races / Events:
PUMP DIVISION
- 1/4 mile race
- 1/4 mile 'steeplechase' -- cones on the straightaways
- 1 mile race
- 1 mile, 4-man relay (4x400m)
- 3 mile race
- cyber slalom
- ramp-start tight slalom
PUSH DIVISION
- 1/4 mile, 1 mile, and 3 mile races, pushing, pump, skogging, it's all good!
Other circuit race ideas feel free to drop a line -
pavedwave.com & RoeRacing
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Chris Who? 38" Proto
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On 3/3/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(208.20.nnn.nnn)
Wow! Pressure! I'm going to have to hit the gym now. Do you think they'll mind me practicing pumping on the treadmill and skogging on their indoor track? I think that'd give Bally's some pause. I'm going to find somewhere quiet w/ low traffic and zero onlookers and nail skogging. Laughter is a great de-motivator. Cheery Creek would be a nice ride. Let me know when. Its not the Strand or Mission Beach but it looks like it will do.
My son rode the 38" the other night and really likes it. He likes that it turns where and when he wants it too. After riding the 38" a few times now I have some initial impressions.
Construction/Quality of Materials: ***** Good stuff. Beauty.
Camber/Concave: **** Nice camber and concave. Good flex, holds your feet secure.
Truck mount points: *** Rear multiple mountings would be an added feature.
The Ride: ***** Subjective to your preference in trucks, wheels and use of risers. CY recommends 8" Originals and Abec 11 Gumballs. These give a great ride and are very pumpable. Don't be chintzy on your bearings. Go Bones Swiss or Abec 5 at least. Once you get up your momentum you don't want to bleed it off by using a poor rated bearing. I run Bones Swiss on my CY 34 and Abec 9 Ceramics on the CY 38.
More coming...
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard
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Chris Who?
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On 3/2/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
I'm still skating at 50. Loving vert, downhill and mostly flats!
I live on mostly IT tech msg boards yakking about the mundane aspects of hardware and software configs.
I've been accused of being an all around skater .... an accurate assessment!
Posting here has always been fun. As time goes on, you'll be seeing more of me.
And Jack, thanks for the praise... I'll be in Denver in a few months so by then, no more whining about the cold :D we can hit up the cherry creek res for some prime time skoggin! Come on now! Get it down bro! I'm almost 100 years old! :P
cYa
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Risers
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On 3/2/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(208.20.nnn.nnn)
Risers - Homemade 1/8" or 3/16" soft (live?) rubber. Angled risers are made by stacking/cementing 2 or more together. Each pad being 1/2" shorter than the pad above it. I don't like rigid risers. Urethane risers are all right. I just like the way the rubber feels (wait... that came out wrong...) It gives the right amount of dampening, like a shock absorber, and yet lets me "feel" the surface of the road. I use flat risers mostly, loosen my front truck a bit and tighten up the rear.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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snappy flex setups
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On 3/2/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Jack that's a quick sprinting setup! - I like the Flashbacks & Gumballs as well, also been trying the big red Avilas (72a) which are sticky and add some cushion to the ride. Are you using 1/2" risers or angled risers with the Originals? I also tend toward 6" hangars for pump and use the 8" / 10" for carving.
The Insect Dragonfly sounds similar in ride, it probably just has a slightly higher (default) camber, although anything can be adjusted/negotiated!
peters
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Tom T (CY)
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On 3/2/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
I'd say the flex has a snap. I'm 250 so nothing snaps back real fast for me. I can feel the 34" CY come back up under me when I pump and carve it. A lighter rider would probably get a lot of snap out this board. Trucks and wheels, I agree with the man himself, 8" Originals and Abec 11 Gumballs. Randall 2 150's work well, as do 150mm Seismics. Personally, I like a narrower truck for pumping as I believe the energy transfer is more efficient. For the CY its Originalsv and Gumballs.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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Tom
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On 3/2/2005
Greg Olsen
wrote in from
Canada
(206.172.nnn.nnn)
Drop me a line.
greggen@995.ca
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cy
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On 3/1/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
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Jack in Aurora:
Hey dude,
Can ya tell me what the flex is like on the CY? Would you say snappy or mellow ? Also, do you have any particular trucks preference for pumping?
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Meet up
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On 3/1/2005
Neil
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(217.154.nnn.nnn)
PaulW, yes it would be great if we could meet up and if you can get my pumping sorted all the better. Drop me an email to arrange a date/time (preferably when rain/snow is not coming sideways)
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Neil's pump...
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On 3/1/2005
PaulW
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.19.nnn.nnn)
Brighton? BRIGHTON?
I live in Brighton.
Well, I'm no expert, but I'd be happy to hook up some weekend for a blast along the front. If you think it'd help?
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Harrogate/Shipton
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On 3/1/2005 Neil
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(217.154.nnn.nnn)
Jack, both these areas are up the other end of the country from me but as its Yorkshire there should be some good hills. The trouble with this island is its too small for the amount of traffic. Whenever i see videos or pictures of longboarders in the States they seem to be on these wide open roads on good tarmac with not a bloody car in site, must be great. Also you have all those school banks, round bottom pools and ditches. I see pictures of people riding the Indian ditch in the states and just yearn for something like that over here.
We have some nice flat proms over here at many beach resorts, come to Brighton we have a great wide prom to carve around on and to pump along (if only i could) and if you like dodging cars we have some nice wide hilly roads
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Yo Neil
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On 3/1/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(208.20.nnn.nnn)
Any good skating around the Harrogate / Shipton area? There's a good chance I may end up over there for a couple of years.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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RE: Neil's Pumping
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On 3/1/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(208.20.nnn.nnn)
Neil,
Taht FF Pinner should pump great. Experiment with your wheelbase. It'll mean drilling your board a few times to get it right. Drill slow and de-burr your holes so don't mar the finish on that fine deck. I know exactly what you mean by the dissapation. I get it too. With me its biomechanical and style related. Once I get in the groove, get the right rythym, I can pump. Keeping it up is another thing. Fortitude my man. Keep trying. Remember the Cub Scout motto, "Do your best."
Peters,
I just finished a very retro homebuilt last night. 46" x 10" x 3/4" Baltic Birch plywood blank from Innovative Plastics. Brand new Lotus 3's from Rob in NH mounted to 5" Independents Top of deck to bottom of wheel ~4". It looks a lot like the cruiser I rode in 1978. I can't wait to get this "Panzer" out on a hill. With my weight (250 lbs) it flexes just right for me. I might even be able to pump this behemoth once I get some momentum up.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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Pumpin' the fibreflex
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On 3/1/2005 Neil
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(217.154.nnn.nnn)
The dissipation in forward motion is something i cant quite work out even while its happening. The trucks dont feel mushy and if you mean by overextending the deck, my rail to rail motion i would say that i dont; my pump from side to side is fairly tight. I know i can keep speed and even accelerate on a slight decline but definitely slow down on a flat. I have tried various decks and truck set ups, inc. a Pocket Pistol a Fibreflex Mallard and an Insect but have the same result on all. I think it must come down to me not having rhythm. But it drives me nuts that i can't get it especially when i see guys around Brighton shooting around like bullits on the sea front
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neil
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On 3/1/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
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hey Neil your fibreflex should pump great assuming its a springy flex for your weight, I'd make the 150's kinda loose, and drill new holes to bring the front trucks back an inch or so, a little extra room for foot placement over the nose -- but I noseride a lot, and many people prefer staying planted behind the front truck... After this, just keep trying out all your friends' decks! ;-)
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Pumpin'
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On 3/1/2005
PaulW
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.19.nnn.nnn)
Got to throw in my four penn'rth here. I've only ever found pumping a short board to be easy (by short I mean FF Mallard drilled out to a longer wheelbase). Funny thing, I had a FF pintail 38 but never set it up properly, once I set up the Mallard - the shorter, springier deck seemed to be everything I needed for constant rotation (which is how I visualise the pump -as a rotation through/across the trucks). Aside from that, my feet would get lost on the pintail; it's a lovely board but wasn't for me.
I think I can understand where you're getting energy dissipation, but can't quite finger the "why". I'd be interested in how this loss of energy manifests itself... mushiness from the trucks? overextension of the deck? Tell us more!
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RE: Wheel Basic
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On 3/1/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
jack's right - years ago, I jumped from a 27" wheelbase up to a 60" flexdex with 41" wheelbase. That really pushed the bounds of efficiency, but once you built up fast momentum on those tankers it was a whole new kind of pump. Think about that long carvy downhill feel you get from a flexy longboard of that size, then translate it into a flatland pump -- those are some LOW gears. But not all tankers are equal...my S9 (Nosewalker - 56") never worked for me either Jack, due to lack of flex.
after wearing through several of those big guns (my buddy derek finally snapped one - he weighs about 20lbs more than me) I've been moving toward a 32"-36" wheelbase Insect (www.insectskateboards.com), which seems like a sweet spot for all-around long distance pumping. Also switching from 11-ply birch to glass/carbon-fiber/birch composites gives a lotta more life and pop to the deck.
For shorter rides like a mile or less, if I'm really going for speed I might still drop back down to 25"-30" wheelbase range. For TS I even ride a Roe Bottle Rocket and Crossfire which are only 19"!! -cheers
peters
pavedwave.com
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pumping a pintail
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On 3/1/2005 Neil
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(217.154.nnn.nnn)
I've been trying this pumping for about a year and sometimes feel like i've got it and then the speed goes and i begin to slow. I have a few boards but the one i like best is the FibreFlex 38inch pin tail. Its fitted with Randall 150's and they are spaced on the furthest apart mounting holes. I weigh approx. 160lbs. Should i be able to pump easy on this deck and this set-up?
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RE: Wheel basic
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On 2/28/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
Hey Tom,
Peters is the one that likes pumping a long wheelbase, my two pumping boards are a 34" and a 38" CY. The 38" is a prototype and is not in production yet. I shortened the wheelbase on the 34" by one full truck length to get the response I wanted. I reckon w/o a tapemeasure its around 27" wheelbase now. Pumps nice. The 38" seems to have a 33" wheelbase and is a sweetheart. I can't put my finger on what it is yet. Maybe its honeymoon goggles. I like a shorter board for pumping. I have a 46" S9 I can't pump to save my life. I'm getting a Bahne Black Hill and a Comet Rocket pretty soon. Those ought'a be interesting rides. I'm learningto skog at this time. I'll get it too someday when I quit busting my ass and rolling my ankles. I aint easy but I bet it'll be satisfying when (if?) I learn it.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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