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pump-a-holics
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On 8/5/2005
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
right on gareth!
thanks bro- it was a great day for a ride, and very cool to have some boarders out for the gig. james did an awesome job of organizing the skateboarding side of the event. and on top of that, he set a new speed record for the 25 mile course, and raised $1100 bucks for charity. not too shabby...
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Pump-a-holics!!!
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On 8/1/2005 Gareth
wrote in from
United States
(216.210.nnn.nnn)
Big props to James Peters, Derek Munson and the others who tackled the MS-Skate ("Walk and Roll for MS 2005") this weekend on the Burke-Gilman trail here in Seattle. Twenty-five miles on a skateboard in a couple of hours is a long way to go. You really need to see these guys in action, it is amazing. As a slalom skateboarder, pumping on flat ground is hardly a foreign concept. However, the Burke is hardly flat! You don't have to be slalom skater to really appreciate how far these guys can go without putting a foot on the ground! Truly amazing!
"...Munson nailed 25-miles without putting a foot to ground, climbing over the biggest and baddest hills of the Burke -"
And all for a great cause to boot!
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slalom boarding
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On 7/31/2005 manybeards
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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www.ukssa.net - the 'how to do it' section
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slalom boarding
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On 7/28/2005 joey
wrote in from
France
(82.10.nnn.nnn)
how do you slalom,i just bought a £150.00 set up and i cant figure out all of the stance and how to pump and stuff. cold you give me some god advice
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slalom boarding
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On 7/28/2005 joey
wrote in from
France
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how do you slalom,i just bought a £150.00 set up and i cant figure out all of the stance and how to pump
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Trucks on Order
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On 7/22/2005
David Campbell
wrote in from
United States
(192.111.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the advice guys. I did not realize there was a for sale section here, I just ordered a set of Seismics from rocketboards.net. I went with them because they had the best price, total with shipping was 58 a pair.
I understand the thing about bearing placement now, I was reading earlier and was thinking that it was a setup issue. I saw a lot of trucks on the web with all kinds of crazy stuff like axles that spin and all.
I read the pumping how-to and am anxious to try it on the longboard. The only longboard I have ever ridden was a Schmidt Stix Yard stix that belonged to a buddy bitd, I could really haul butt on it tick-tacking and could go uphill well. I have not ever been able to propel a regular board by pumping with both wheels on the ground, and have no idea what it will feel like to ride a board with no tail. It looks like coffin runs are going to be a lot of fun for sure!
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Still talking about trucks
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On 7/22/2005
RJ
wrote in from
United States
(12.19.nnn.nnn)
Steve has a great point about that. The buy sell or trade part of this site is wonderful! I have obtained many wonderful parts, decks, completes, and even plans for the cut out drop deck that i am racing at the present moment. Worst that happens is you dont like somthing, but you can always just sell or trade it, because someonr will like it. Hell i have a buddy that rides on a set of 186 Gullwing trucks and swears by them, wont ride anything else on his boards. (the with varries)
Just get out there and try things. One day you will be on your board and be like "Damn thats it" and there you have it!
Skate on Skaters,
RJ
P.S.
DC, Please keep us poasted on what you do decide. I like to see what other people thik is their perfect set up. and i also have some siesmics that i would sell 170 (45 and 30)
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DC's Truck Queries
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On 7/22/2005 Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
DC,
First of all, it pays to have good hardware. Always at least start with new bearings & mounting bolts.
Secondly, you now have a great source of the latest and greatest equiptment...US! Right here on NCDSA you can get just about EVERYTHING you could want for your first set-up. At any given time, Randals and Seismics are available to buy, sell or trade (check the BST forum). Heck, I even have an extra pair of 180mm Seismics with yellow springs F&R (45* & 30*) I'd sell you for just a tad more than what you'd pay for Randals. Be sure to check over there to see what's up and post what you need.
AFA wheel offset, that refers to the bearing placement on the wheel.
-Flatbacks have NO offset, and the inner bearings are mounted flush with the inside of the wheel. Flashbacks, Gravity & Kryptonics wheels are like this.
-Offset gives you an inner "lip" on the wheel for better traction, especially on the rear. Gumballs, Avalons, Avilas, old 70mm Kryps and RoadRider 6's are like this. Mild offset or Flatback wheels can be used with a more narrow truck hanger width.
-Center-set wheels are just that, with the bearings centered in the wheel. This spreads the load across the wheel and allows for you to run your wheels inside-out to wear them evenly. Grippins, NoSkoolz, Flywheels and some PowerPaw models are like this. If the tips of your truck axles come out to the edge of your deck, then a Centerset wheel will work best; A flatback wheel would make your board look like a Pickup Truck from the Barrio. And you'll hit your push foot on your rear wheel, which can be no fun.
Best advice...borrow, appropriate, use or skate whatever you can in the way of other completes, and keep notes on what you like and don't like about each set-up. And for gosh sakes, be sure to hook-up with the other skaters on this website and try their gear. Buy or trade for it if you must, and if you don't like it or you end up with too much stuff, sell or trade it to someone else.
There are MANY decks, wheels and trucks that are in my collection that have been owned by no less than FOUR other members on this list. Recycle, bro.
-=S=-
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Truck stuff
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On 7/22/2005
David Campbell
wrote in from
United States
(192.111.nnn.nnn)
Well I have not made up my mind yet. The Seismics sound better, but after looking at thier site and setup suggestions I would need springs also, and the whole package would be around $75+shipping. I can get a set of Randals for half that. I do like high-tech stuff and like for my boards to be the best setup they can be though. I just bought a set of those swiss 6-ball bearings, but I wouldn't shell out the money for ceramics.
As for other setup suggestions, I assume I will get trucks that are the width of my deck. What is "wheel bearing inset"?
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DC's Pumping deck combo
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On 7/21/2005
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
DC,
RJ's got some good ideas. Be sure also to read well into this forum for other set-ups that we've found work well as both flatland pumpers and stable at speed. Keep in mind that there's a line at which your set-up will give up one for the other...stability vs. ease of turning.
You can use just about any truck for a killer pumper deck...Originals, Kapus, Bakus, Exkates, Randals, Trackers, Seismics...even Indys! There are more choices to make once you've chosen your truck type:- Truck Hanger width
- Wheelbase
- Wheel bearing inset
- To Wedge or De-Wedge
- Add risers or modify deck
- ...or run different trucks F & R.
All of these options have a few things in common:
-Inner truck-hole wheelbase between 22-32"
-Truck hanger width between 130-180mm
-Good wheels between 65-76mm tall.
Let us know what you finally go with and your opinions on whether or not it met your expectations.
-=S=-
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Trucks
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On 7/21/2005 RJ
wrote in from
United States
(12.19.nnn.nnn)
David,
I have 45degree on the fron thad 30 degree on the back. the turning radius is fine, same as with other turcks. You can tighten them all the way down so they wont move at all, though i do not sugest this. but now do you see how you can eniminate speed wobbles? The randals can be made quite sturdy, also. It is really more of a matter of opinion. i suggest you test both first if possable, however if it is not the randals are less expencive also which makes them better for a new rider.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks
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On 7/21/2005
David Campbell
wrote in from
United States
(192.111.nnn.nnn)
Thanks RJ.
So I am assuming then that the Seismics are better suited to downhill? I would have thought the other way around as I thought the Randals were more stable. I am not looking at racing, but I really want to haul ass. It's intersting that Seismic suggest a different turning radius for the front and rear trucks, how does that effect the ride?
The only trucks I have ever owned were Tracker 6-tracks and Indy 9s, and I have not yet even ridden a board with no tail.
David
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Re: Trucks
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On 7/21/2005
RJ
wrote in from
United States
(12.19.nnn.nnn)
David,
My suggestion to you if you are not planning on racing the board and just want a cruiser to tootle around town, the randals will be mor than good for you. The siesmics are also great trucks, but i only use myne on my race boards. There is my to cents.
RJ
P.S.
On my curiser i have randals and same on my carver. The only siesmics that i own are on my DH board
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Trucks
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On 7/21/2005
David Campbell
wrote in from
United States
(192.111.nnn.nnn)
Hey guys, cool site I just found it. I'm an old man skater and I am setting up a longboard. I got the idea when ordering some uncut decks the other day. I have always wanted one so here I go. I skate ramps and parks some now, and in the 80s after seeing the downhill segment in Future Primitive I got into downhilling for a while, had the sliding gloves and all. I am really more interested in setting up a board I can pump around the park for exercise now. I have never actually tried to pump a board before, but I can tic-tac up any hill so I feel confident in learning.
My question is trucks. I bought the 49" X 11.5" board at the top of this page:
http://www.eastbilt.com/long_old_school.htm
I have been reading all kinds of stuff on the web and I am trying to decide between Seismic and Randall trucks. If it matters I am 39 and weigh 200 lbs. I may get out and ride some hills but I am mostly interested in a cruiser.
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SKITCH?
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On 7/19/2005
chris yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
is skitch hitchcok in kona or is he dead?
my good buddy sez he's doing maintenace and sleeping in his car.
dude has weathered some heavy storms?
cYa
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Driver side or passenger side?
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On 7/7/2005
Skitch
wrote in from
United States
(68.19.nnn.nnn)
Which is your preferred side to skitch from?
Mine is driver, I like being able to see the looks on the drivers faces!
Skitching is fun!
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Skumping ;-)
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On 7/7/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
...or Skump!
Just *had* to do it, cYa! ;-)
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Skitching
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On 7/7/2005
Skitch
wrote in from
United States
(68.19.nnn.nnn)
Why skog when you can skitch!
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Shoes
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On 7/1/2005 Rich-ohio
wrote in from
United States
(64.56.nnn.nnn)
I have found that nike has accually put together some halfways decents shoes for skateing (check skatewarehouse.com or something) and I have accually liked the Puma "quikk trimm", they are a crossover from a turf soccer shoe to a casual shoe, but they have tons of grip and come to the aid of the athlete-turned-skater. The puma's become more comfortable the more you wear them too, I have 3 pairs of fresh sneakers but still rock my smelly beat puma's.
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pumpers delight
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On 6/29/2005 Stoked
wrote in from
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I just wanted to say thanx for all the advice on pumping to everyone here.
I spent hundreds of dollars and hours perfecting my pump, what I found after dialing in my technique was that I wanted more from my equipment, this is where the $$$$ comes in. I bought a motherload of wheels in different duros by several manufacturers(Abec11, Manx, Krypto, 3DM, Sector9 to name a few), At the end of the day I found the best wheel for speed and grip was the Manx 69 84a.
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Original S6's / shoes
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On 6/27/2005 vaitus
wrote in from
United States
(24.225.nnn.nnn)
yeah the gs has lots of camber which might at times get in the way, especially if you weigh 155lbs. Problem solved with a footstop, an old gravity foam kicktail which is both easy to install, safe and effective. I have wondered too if
a similarly shaped deck with no camber would be better, but this set up is so much fun to pump that I'm going to leave it as is. def not for skogging though. funny you mention seismics cause I had some 130mm (which you should know about...) on the gs before switching to an rt-s/x combo. of all the 3 set ups this was the one with the most traction, but also the least pumpable (relatively speaking), but I'm sure that was me.
NYCAS (New York City Asphalt Surfer), :), interesting qs about long distance skating shoes, how about some good hi tops with a quality insert soles, maybe with gel? I'd like to see what the resident skoggathonists (!) have to say about this.
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Original S6's
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On 6/27/2005
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
...on a Bozi Gs36, eh? My BGS36 currently has 155mm Seismics and 74mm75a flywheels on it, but the OG's are an interesting call.
The Bozi GS has quite a bit of camber, so for a pump board that you can also skog, I'd prefer something a little bit flatter. I was going to do a drop-thru on my Powerhouse Roadboard (Jester model), but it's a tad too flexy for a serious speedboard.
I put my OG6's on it, and with just a little bit of riser (1/2 that of the stocker OG risers), both Gumballs and Avilas clear with no possibility of wheelbite. So I've got me a flat funky-looking "iron-cross" shaped deck that's a little lower and has a tad bit of flex under my 195#.
C.Yandall: I just couldn't put the OG's on the 38 special. That's getting a Seismic/Randal/Tracker-type combo. Oh, and I'll most likely be riding my CYa 34" Wreckreational Kruzer in the GS at Hood River with either Avalons or Grippins. Gumballs or Avilas if I wanna go too fast and miss cones. Yeee-Haw!
-=S=-
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Recommended shoes for Pumping and/or Skogging...
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On 6/27/2005 New York City Asphalt Surfer
wrote in from
United States
(216.75.nnn.nnn)
To be quite honest, I'm still learning to "skog" and find it to be quite difficult. Anyway, I'm skating between 6 to 10 miles per day and finding that my current skate shoes -- Fallen Rivals -- to be quite grippy, but less than ideal for long-distance skating. The good thing about the Fallen shoes is that they are synthetic and seem to be quite rugged -- although the soles seems to be wearing away swiftly. I tried an old pair of Asics 1080 running shoes, but found them to be a bit too thick and not grippy enough. I know that there is a lot of hype when it comes to shoes -- especially skate shoes -- but as an ex-runner, my knees will loudly complain about cheap, Payless shoes.
Also, has anyone ever come up with a skateboard storage compartment? You know, a place to put your wallet and keys?
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originals s6
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On 6/26/2005 vaitus
wrote in from
United States
(24.225.nnn.nnn)
the topic has already been covered but I want to add my $0.02 now that I'm riding them.
They do really pump like crazy! Even though they don't feel as good as trackers with double stims they're far more efficient for the task. Along with some 81a grippins they've turned bozi gs into a pumping machine. Now that I've put a footstop, slalom style, I can pump, better say gyrate, the flats and some very mild inclines for as long as my body allows me to. It feels so weird going back to conventional trucks after these.
Traction in ther rear is a different story...but you can't have everything. The traction losses are extremely predictable and easy to control though. Probably these are the best trucks for stand up slides.
Back on subject, the wider s10 could be the sh@t for surf style one sided pumps on a deck like the bozi mb2 or a gravity hyper carve, anybody tried them?
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pumping and pushing
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On 6/20/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(154.20.nnn.nnn)
Sounds like a was a blast any way you skated it James!
We had our annual seawall cruise on Saturday here in Vancouver and probably 150 longboarders were out. Though I did see a bit of good pumping now and then mostly the skaters just blasted along kicking and setting a scorching pace. Most didn't bother switching sides, just tore along the pathways stoked by the presence of so many skaters all riding together.
I was impressed by the fast pace and though I do 10 km's regularily and the occasional 20 km cruise, I found that I was relatively slow compared to most of this energetic group. And I found that my pumping needs a lot of work still as I ended up relying on kicking (regular and switch for me to keep things balanced and optimize both sides of my body because it was faster than pumping).
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How to Pump